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Electrical Rotating Machines (Motors)

11/07/2008 12:42 AM

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I am an electrical and mechanical engineer, new in the field. Just started my own business in South Africa. On Monday, I received my First Customer who want's a 3.8MW Toshiba 10Pole 6.6kV Electrical Motor. The Serial no:9110086 of the original Motor.

I tried looking in SA for this motor but to no avail. Is their anyone who can help me out?

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Re: Electrical Rotating Machines (Motors)

11/07/2008 12:53 AM

Hello amalec

You have omitted to advise the Mains Frequency plus the speed or variable speed of that motor.

If the motor is driven via a Variable Speed drive, you would need to supply details of that unit also.

Have you contacted Toshiba Electric South Africa Portal: http://www.toshiba.co.za/index.html

Presumably this motor is driving some Mine equipment - if so, advise further details.

Reply here, with as much information as possible to ensure a best response answer.

I'm just away for my evening meal, and shall check back later this evening.

Meanwhile other Members may assist you.

Kind Regards....

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11/07/2008 1:14 AM

Thanks for responding,

The Machine is operated at a speed of 375rpm = 10Pole the motor does not have a VSD, but is of boring mill application.

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11/07/2008 2:10 AM

Hi Amalec - Is this for SA use at 50 cycles?

Also raining in JHB?

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11/07/2008 3:15 AM

Morning Hendrik

yes its at 50 cycles.

Ja its raining cats and dogs this site

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11/08/2008 3:57 AM

Hello,

I can you rise clearly your requirement for this application such as engineering the start up system?

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11/13/2008 8:21 AM

Are u sure it is 10 Pole .Synchronous rpm 10 ploe is 600 and 375 is 16P on 50 HZ.Refer to toshiba .Incidently 120*Freq/syn rpm =poles

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11/07/2008 4:45 AM

Hello again, amalec

Your best chance is to contact them urgently, they will be best to assist you as we do not know Frame size or shaft size etc to install the replacement motor.

Winder Controls (Pty) Ltd.
56 Stanley Street Germiston Ext. 3
Gauteng
Republic of South Africa
PO Box 383 Germiston 1400
Tel. +2711 873-4650
Fax. +2711 873-4728

I do appreciate the replacement is of an urgent nature - and if Toshiba are unable to assist, further efforts in the direction of ABB or other supplier may need to be made.

Because at present late hour Toshiba ZA will probably be closed, you could try Toshiba USA, as they are a day behind us: http://www.toshiba.com/tai/

To assist with other maker, shaft size/frame size/coupling type/motor dimensions etc will need to be provided, along with motor orientation of shaft (Horizontal/vertical etc)

Keep us informed, every Member/reader here will try and assist you.

Kind Regards....

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Re: Electrical Rotating Machines (Motors)

11/07/2008 11:53 PM

Hi there,

If not available from any of the mining coporations, it will be best to go to http://www.tic.toshiba.com.au/low_speed_synchronous_motors/

Lots of luck.

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11/08/2008 2:32 AM

Total "outsider" type question here, as I am not familiar with the mining industry:

Is the original equipment manufacturer of the equipment that the motor is used in not able to supply some information? Such as minimum spec for an equivalent/replacement motor...? This might widen your options, allowing you to use other motors than the specific Toshiba motor you are trying to source.

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Re: Electrical Rotating Machines (Motors)

11/08/2008 9:38 PM

Something is off in your expression of the mains frequency, number of poles, and RPM.

Go to this website to confirm my information;

http://www.vfddistributing.com/vfd-blog/2008/10/calculating-rpm-for-three-phase-induction-motors-with-vfds/

Find out what the customer really needs, and give them two options, the low cost higher expense of a squirel cage motor like they probably have or the high performance of a wound rotor motor. Calculate the life time cost of ownership of the better motor and sell that to them. For the application they will eventually appreciate the higher quality solution.

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11/11/2008 2:01 AM

Directly contact Toshiba giving the machine no and they will respond immediately.Does he want one to one with same make or other makes are acceptable so long as mounting and shaft dimensions are maintained.

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11/12/2008 12:03 AM

Hi

The customer specifically wants Toshiba

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11/13/2008 5:04 AM

Hello again, amalec

Have you contacted Toshiba yet, quoting the original motor number?

If the customer wants an identical motor made only by Toshiba, you would need to talk with Toshiba only.

I do not know of a motor of that Make, Size, Speed etc just "a'sitting on a distributor floor somewhere", waiting to be purchased.

A motor of that size is normally made to order, thus the sooner the order is actually placed, the faster it will arrive.

Normally the Maker will require a Bank Draft, or irrevocable letter of Credit, payable once the crated unit is placed on board ship, so you would need to think about that part of the operation, and ensure that you receive the credit, or your Client pays direct to Toshiba, at the time of placing the order.

Do not forget Shipping + Insurance + Customs + Duty + Craneage + Installation + Labour and other miscellaneous charges and allow for a reasonable profit for yourself as well.

So...talk to your local Toshiba in ZuidAfrika, (Contact details given in my earlier Post above) and if they are not entirely helpful, try Toshiba USA or Toshiba Australia, per the earlier Posts here.

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