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What's the Best Driving Method for Improved Fuel Economy?

03/03/2009 1:22 PM

I have taken internal combustion engines class that says small engines running at higher load have better fuel economy than large engines running at lower load. I gues this is true for constant RPM and on flat ground. My question is does this translate to driving style for acceleration from a standstill to cruising speed in my spark ignition gasoline engine.

I want to get the best fuel economy for my trip. I usually try to accelerate very slowly and get up to speed as slowly as I can stand it, to save some fuel. Do the rules of thermodynamics say that the faster I get up to speed, I load my engine more and incur less throttling losses thus I should get better fuel economy?

In practice this does not show up on GM vehicle's on-board information system's average mpg display. Who's wrong my display or my ICE engines textbook?

Does this view of the problem not apply during acceleration?

For best fuel ecomony do I put the pedal to the metal or speed up low and slow?

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03/03/2009 1:31 PM

It can be summed up in one two words smoothness and anticipation.

You should seldom need your brakes...anticipate, take your foot off the gas early to slow down and accelerate as gently as you can.
Imagine you have an open box of eggs on the dash.

I often have people thunder past me approaching a roundabout, but I usually get through it before them, by anticipating and judging my speed to blend in neatly with the traffic, arriving at the roundabout just as the gap appears, and because I'm still moving I can exploit the gap...whereas the other guy, being stationary, can't pull away quick enough to do so.

Is it more economical to accelerate a bit to make the gap, or break and have to accelerate from standstill.

Alternatively you could walk
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03/04/2009 7:58 AM

You took the words right out of my mouth....be smooth and anticipate.

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03/03/2009 2:52 PM

I am driving a 1994 Camry 3litre (Only 360000km - barley run in) and found that by driving calmly I am getting the best consumption.

I am using cruise control and mostly drive within the speed limit (the last ticket I had was in 1965) 120 in SA or depending on the road down to 100 or 80. Now and then I do 160 and once in a blue moon 220. What I like about a big engine is that I can accelerate fast when I need to or want to to leave a 1600 far behind.

I use a Tazz for city travel. My repair bill on the 1995 Tazz is much higher than the Camry. (my wife is not that calm a driver)

my average on the Camry is 8l / 100 km which I pay with a smile for that comfort.

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03/03/2009 3:00 PM

I expect that your class statement that a small engine running at higher load would have better fuel economy than a large engine running a lower load is true. A big engine is going to have a bigger need, regardless of what it is doing. If it needs more to idle, then it will simply need more to do anything.

To get the best fuel economy what you want is the lowest constant rpms, for the highest speed.

It is likely your ICE engine textbook, and your display are both correct depending on what factors they are actually taking into account. For aircraft there are parameters given to the pilot of a particular aircraft that will tell them such things like Max Cruise Speed, and most Fuel Efficient Cruise Speed.

Among mechanics there is another saying: It's not how many miles on the car engine that matter, but how many rpms.

Between the engine and the body shape, weight and transmission there is always typically a sweet spot for any vehicle.

If it feels right, it probably is.

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03/03/2009 10:15 PM

If you have an automatic transmission, it is hard to have a large effect on economy during acceleration: If you use a lot of throttle to reduce pumping losses, the transmission downshifts, reducing engine load, foiling your attempt. But with a manual transmission you are better off "short shifting," keeping engine rpm low, and load high, for the reason you mention.

Engines with variable valve timing have quite large "sweet spots" (where, if you look at the bfsc map, you see a very large area where the engine is within a couple percent of it's peak efficiency). These are somewhat less sensitive to the effects you mention, but still it is helpful to keep load high and rpm low.

Hybrids (especially serial hybrids) get a large part of their efficiency gain from the effects of a small engine highly loaded. In a serial hybrid, the engine can be loaded to its peak efficiency or shut off entirely. In the EPA city cycle, this can have a very large effect, because there is otherwise so much time spent in very low load or idle conditions. (Being able to recoup some braking energy energy helps too.)

Hyper milers swear by "pulse and glide" in which they accelerate with a fairly large throttle opening, and then glide for a while (clutch in), ticking off everyone behind them. Then they do it again, further ticking off people. Eventually people get so ticked off that they shoot the hypermiler, after which his car sits at the side of the road, using no gas at all.

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03/04/2009 10:07 AM

Another complication with an automatic transmission is the torque converter (TC). If you have a tachometer, look at it when you press the gas pedal. The engine speeds up immediately, producing high friction loss in the TC due to slippage. Later, the car speeds up but still runs slightly slower than the gear ratio would suggest due to slippage. Most transmission have a lockable TC which eliminates this at higher speeds.(My old Dakota had an overdrive which locked up the TC above 50 MPH at light/moderate throttle.)

The best milage with an automatic comes from accelerating "briskly" through first and second gear, minimizing the total slippage.

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03/05/2009 12:56 PM

Pulse and glide will make you throw up.

My grandfather was a big fan of this. My mother thought she couldn't ride in a car without being sick.

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03/06/2009 4:33 PM

That's funny. I have finally trained my wife to hold the throttle fairly steady, (and have probably adapted, too) but her technique used to drive me up the wall. It wasn't intended to be pulse and glide, but she would constantly accelerate and decelerate (a square wave with a frequency of about .2 hz). It was as if her foot only moved in 1/4 throttle increments, and she was always saying "oops, a little too fast... oops a little to slow."

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03/09/2009 11:07 AM

"That's fine dear. Yes, dear." Best to tread carefully there.

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03/03/2009 10:57 PM

Using Public Transport system gives you best (national) fuel economy

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03/03/2009 11:17 PM

Or a bicycle - even better.

Can't remember the last time I had to put gasoline in the bike!

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03/04/2009 6:35 AM

You need to find out the RPMs for max torque and max BHP. Always keep the engine between those two, preferably in the area nearer to max torque, wich is generally the lower of the two. You will find that info usually in the car manual.

Get info the higher gears fairly quickly, low gears waste fuel. Discover the lowest RPM where the engine is still smooth in acceleration for each gear, not lumpy!

Anticipate slowing down, use the brakes as little as possible, do not drive close to other vehicles, never closer than 4 seconds, more is better.

Keep within the legal limits, or better on them for single lane roads, as it reduces the numbers of overtaking cars.....less danger.

After a while, some weeks, you will get a "feel" for the speed in each gear, especially top, that is the best for economy. It will be around the same RPM each time. If having to drive slowly, you will find a lower gear will bring more economy at that RPM than a higher gear working the engine too slow.

If towing something heavy, it is possible that top gear will be "too high", take the next lower.....

Think ahead, think smooth. Do nothing abruptly, except where needed for safety's sake of course!!

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03/04/2009 9:34 AM

I have an example that contradicts your class. However I don't have physical data to back this up, you might find good information in boating magazines and online boat and engine reviews.

I've spent much time on non-commercial Mercruiser I/O powered boats. I've always found the 220HP 5.0L to use significantly more gas than the 310HP 7.4L when used in the same application traveling at the same speed. I'd imagine it's related to the energy lost due to the engines reciprocating action. The 5.0L needs to turn much faster to generate a similar power output to the 7.4L. I'm a big fan of the now obsolete 7.4L simply because it can push a 3 ton vessel at cruising speed with a minimum of around 5.5MPG. That sounds low, but in the world of boating it's quite excellent.

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03/04/2009 9:46 AM

Also, boats only use 1 forward speed, there are no selectable gears in the transmission.

In your point of accelerating quicker, you'd be pushing the engine to higher RPM's then if you chose to accelerate slower. With a manual transmission you can select the gears yourself, and I find even with the petal on the floor I can maintain good MPG according to the dash gauge by shifting short around 3500-4000RPM opposed to the redline at 6200RPM.

I also run full size diesel trucks. Some people use gear splitters on the highway (I don't) and claim to get better MPG's by slowing their engines down by creating a taller top gear.

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03/04/2009 10:35 AM

You are trying to compare apples and oranges.

Under test condition, IC engines have a "sweet spot" near the maximum HP and max torque points where the engine will achieve the best BSFC. This is a steady-state condition, and if the application is steady-state this is the area you want to operate at.

Real world driving is anything but steady-state. the torque and HP demands vary as the vehicle goes uphill, downhill, around curves, stopping and starting, etc.

The compromise to be made when selecting a vehicle engine is how much power is required for normal driving conditions, and how much excess capacity is needed for acceleration, uphill, towing, etc. If you decide you do not need to race, climb mountains, or haul big loads, a smaller engine loaded closer to the best BSFC will get better economy than a large engine operated further from its BSFC sweet spot.

As previously posted place an imaginary egg between your "lead foot" and the accelerator and do not "break the egg".

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03/04/2009 11:02 AM

I seem to remember some research that SAAB did a number of years ago where they received maximum fuel economy by accelerating at full throttle, but only used 1st, 3rd, and 5th gears to get to the cruising speed. Of course, other smart things like anticipating stops, tire pressures, prudent maintenance, removing unnecessary clutter (junk in the trunk) all help too.

This makes some sense if you consider that accelerating the mass of the vehicle to a given speed takes a defined quantity of energy regardless of how long it takes for you to get to the speed ( 1/2*m*v^2). Therefore if you operate the engine at its most efficient operating point to get to speed, you could save some infinitesimally small amount of fuel and then cruise by operating the engine/drivetrain/aerodynamic profile system at it's most efficient mileage point.

As some have pointed out, maximum engine efficiency, defined by the energy output (horsepower*time or kW*time) of the engine divided by the energy input (gasoline in Btu or kcal) is not necessarily synonymous with mileage efficiency defined in miles per gallon or liters per 100k.

Telling the highway patrol that you were just trying to drive your engine at its most efficient operating point probably won't help you in court.

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03/05/2009 9:53 AM

I drive manual transmission from 1st to 3rd to 5th when casually driving. Stretches fuel quite a bit. I use 2nd and 4th for fun!!

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03/05/2009 9:56 AM

As mu transmission bearings have continued to wear, I have had to stop using 4th gear also. I have experienced a great savings by not replacing my transmission.

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03/05/2009 10:27 AM

I do it with my 2.0L '05 Jetta quite frequently because the engine has such a wide power-band (doesn't make good power anywhere ), I find I can accelerate quite briskly with the 1st-3rd-5th routine because I spend less time with the clutch on the floor.

Actually, that little car makes pretty decent power (115 hp), it's just because the torque curve was flattened out to deal with the weight, the car prefers to be short-shifted (2500-3000 RPM). You just don't get anything more out of it by winding it up to high RPM's.

Sometimes I'm tempted to try a cam with a bit more overlap and duration to wake up it's higher RPM capabilities. My old 85 hp 1.8L '87 Jetta (242K miles) is more rev happy and prefers to be shifted in the 3500-4000 RPM range.

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03/05/2009 11:27 AM

A cam on your 2.0L will take your MPG down quite a bit. I had a '96 VW 2.0 and got rid of it around 200k only because I wanted something nicer. I was very impressed with how overbuilt that engine was. Huge solid block, big bearing surfaces, thick connecting rods, it looked more suitable to be a diesel. I spent much time on the VW Vortex, and was always intrigued by those who bolted on turbos to achieve 300+ WHP on otherwise stock engines.

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03/05/2009 11:48 AM

The gas engines are overbuilt because VW uses the same bottom end for both gas and diesels. Only the heads and pistons are changed. Economy of scale that results in generally bullet-proof, long lasting engines. My '87 with 242,000 miles is testament to that.

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03/05/2009 12:01 PM

VW does this cross-platform use a lot. For example the IP beam (brace behind the dash) is the same for all of their cars. Or at least it was a few years ago. It makes a lot of sense.

Of course big 3 re-design everything down to the lug nuts every 4-5 years. No wonder they are broke.

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03/05/2009 12:31 PM

And I love the cross platform paradigm. I looked at the block on my '05 and I see the same engine mounting bosses used on my long defunct '75 Rabbit. Some of them are used and some not, but they are all there. You could swap engines both forward and backward (not sure why someone would, but you could put a 1975 engine into a 2005) and this part commonality also ensured a very healthy aftermarket business with longevity. I'm on my 3rd V-dub in large part because VW does things smart. They may not be the fastest, safest, cheapest, highest mileage, luxurious/gadgety etc. but I believe they are the best value for the dollar.

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03/05/2009 11:53 AM

Interesting... most of my gear skipping was done in a VW Jetta as well.

One thing I've noticed in most vehilces is the high RPM range required for real day highway driving. Especially in small 4 cyl cars. 80-90 km/hr seems to be the best fuel range. On the highway around here 120 km/hr seems to be regular traffic flow. Even higher when you get around Toronto. If a transmission had a high "cruise" gear I bet a lot of fuel would be saved.

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03/05/2009 12:37 PM

It's been four years since I bought my latest Jetta and I still try to find that elusive "sixth gear" on the highway. I can't tell you the number of times I've pulled it out of fifth looking for a higher gear. It does make it a bit buzzy at 120km/75 mph and up, but then again, we don't have to downshift for any hill on the highway, and the engine is "loafing" so they tend to last longer. Still, I'd love a higher sixth gear for flat-land cruising.

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03/05/2009 12:53 PM

HA! That is funny. I do the same thing. It's like the engine is asking you to shift.

These traits must be a VW thing.

I've been a fan of VW as well. Everything seems right. Not too much and not too little.

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03/05/2009 1:17 PM

When I had my Jetta, in 5th gear it would spin at 4k RPMs during my 120 mile round trip commute. I kept waiting for the day the valve seals would blow of the rings would start passing oil. Never happened, made perfect compression the day I got rid of it. However, it would eat ignition coils and spark plugs for lunch. I'd always carry a spare coil pack in the trunk.

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My Jetta had great compression the day I got rid of it too. The rest of the car was dead but it ran like a top.

Coils get wet and die on these cars. I made it part of oil changes to coat the coil with white grease spray. The more the better. It lasted as long as the car then.

Learned this trick on the side of the highway in a torrential rain storm. Total black night and I could see the spark jumping from the coil as it turned over. WD40 the crap out of it and then coated it with the grease when it dried.

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03/06/2009 9:42 AM

You will be relieved to know that VW has 6 speed gears for some years now, at least here in Germany. I had 6 speed on my 2001 Sharan TDI, my 2004 Touran TDI and my Mitsubishi has the TDI motor and gearbox......

Also, recently VW has started, at least with the diesels, to put "Longer" gearing for economy......but that is only in the last 18 months or so.......

I still looked for a 7th Gear on all my TDI with 6 gears.......far to "short!"

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03/06/2009 10:02 AM

Why don't you look into replacing your tires with a "taller" tire. The additional roll out will drop your engine speed at the same road speed. There may be some errors on the indicated road speeds, But there are remedies for that as well as the anti lock brake system if they develop. A web site devoted to your vehicle would know what is required if anything. Good luck.

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03/09/2009 11:05 AM

I've been trying to find out if the final gearing is any higher with the six speed. I haven't seen the ratios published anywhere yet. I keep my eye on Ebay and the local junk yards for a GTI or GLI with the six cogs. It's not bad enough that I would spend a bunch of money on it, but for the right price . . .

Funny that you look for a seventh gear. V-dubs have always been geared a bit lower than other cars but I attribute that to the desire to gear it to have the vehicle at its top speed at the power peak of the engine. That ratio always tends to a bit low for "gentle cruising".

I remember my old '87 Jetta with the GX engine (85 hp) would max out at 105 mph in both fourth and fifth gears. Didn't matter. I suspect the fourth gear was a little low and the fifth was a little high. The GLI's and GTI's had slightly lower overall gearing and would pull a higher speed in fifth but they also had the HT motor with 105 hp (early Mark II) or the 16V with 123 hp (later Mark II's). I do remember folks complaining about the buzzy highway driving with the GTI's/GLI's.

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03/09/2009 11:15 AM

I am afraid to say this without any evidence other than the feeling when driving, but I seriously feel that gear 6 is about the same as the 5th gear in the older boxes.

It is only in about the last 1 to 2 years that VW has "Boosted" the 6th gear's value as a cruising gear......you will need to confirm that and also buy a recent wreck with an undamaged box.....

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03/09/2009 11:24 AM

Engine RPM at a given vehicle speed, or MPH per 1000 rpm Would give some answers. Perhaps we could do a survey here. Note tire size, as that will have an effect.

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03/05/2009 9:10 AM

Both are correct.

An engine will operate most efficiently with a carburetor, or fuel injection, when the throttle opening is at wide open position, limiting unwanted air turbulence.

But there are problems with that. Your car needs drivability. For that reason, there are helpers added to it. Ignition timing is load sensitive. Fuel mixture is load sensitive. And now valve timing and even the number of cylinders operating are load sensitive.

Go back in time with me to the days of carburetors. You are driving at a steady 50 mph. The throttle has not moved for the last 3 minutes. Your car is now at it's most fuel efficient setting. As you start to climb a hill, the load on the engine increases because you are in effect lifting the weight of your car. This causes the manifold vacuum to become less. Your carburetor has a device designed to compensate for this. That is the power valve. It is a fuel enrichment system that is held in the lean position by manifold vacuum. When your manifold vacuum became lass, the power valve allowed your mixture to become richer to make more power to compensate for the hill.

There is a thing called vacuum advance that causes your car to have more power as you open the throttle by advancing the ignition timing. This is accomplished by using the vacuum again. If the vacuum lowers the vacuum advance stops advancing the ignition, causing a loss of power.

With current computer controls, these things are now regulated by the computer, but they are still happening. Only now there are also valve timing, and possibly displacement changes also happening. Industrial engines that operate under a narrower set of operating conditions, commonly use smaller carburetors that are required to open closer to wide open to achieve better efficiency.

In short, your book is theory. Your car is reality.

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