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Water Pressure Calculations

06/24/2009 3:33 PM

Hi there, I am new to this site and will try asking the question again.

OK, Stand a 4inch pipe up that is 50 ft tall. Fill it with water. at sea level what is the pressure/ force. PSI at the bottom.

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06/24/2009 3:40 PM

As Frank Crowe used to say, "It's just one dam equation after another."

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06/24/2009 3:44 PM

Wood I - this wouldn't be a homework problem - wood it?

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06/24/2009 4:09 PM

Smells like homework to me!

Nice play on words, too.

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06/24/2009 3:57 PM

Which sea?

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06/24/2009 4:11 PM

Ha! you gave me a good chuckle. Thanks needed that

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06/24/2009 4:23 PM

Had to chase TVP45

Dam funny

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06/24/2009 4:25 PM

27.7 inch H2O = 1 psi

But really, I think that might be too much help for a homework problem. Have you attempted to use the rest of the internet such as google??

Try typing "water column pressure calculation" into your favorite search engine and see what happens. I think you might be supprised at how easy it was to get exactly the information your looking for.

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06/24/2009 10:48 PM

Thanks for the info. According to "Mikero" if you multiply 50 ft X 12 inch you come up with 600. So 600 divided by 27.7 = my answer. Hmmmmm?

I will try that other site on google that you mention.

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06/24/2009 11:20 PM

Hi Wood I,

I'm sure you have noticed that many of the replies to your post are somewhat flippant. The reason for this, most likely, is that your post quite closely resembles a homework question, which is generally thought nonproductive (to the original poster) to answer outright.

Your problem is simply a matter of conversion - feet or inches of water to psig. Dimensional analysis is invaluable in converting units. Refer: http://www.alysion.org/dimensional/fun.htm. This will show you the basics.

For a pressure conversion calculator, see: http://www.cleavebooks.co.uk/scol/ccpress.htm

This is the easy way around. If you want to be able to convert any units to any other units with a minimal amount of conversion factors, dimensional analysis is the only way to go.

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06/24/2009 11:57 PM

Thank you Mike, I have been out of school since 1983. Don't give this stuff much thought any more

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06/25/2009 12:23 AM

Wood I,

I don't know about you, but learning keeps me alive. I truly believe that the day I stop learning is the day I die. There is a wonderful wide world out there. There is an awesome community right here on CR4 waiting to be your friends. We welcome you and will help in any way we can.

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06/25/2009 12:52 AM

Hey thanks Mike. Trust me, my mind never stops but I am more practical than theory.

Did you check out my video on you tube? "Second job for drill" , my buddy is running it in "Second job for Rodger" on you-tube. I am trying to think of a way to get rid of rain water. Actually trying to find work for my drill.

Any ideas.

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06/25/2009 7:32 AM

Wood I sorry for my flip early on - we get so many homework cheaters here.

Glad to have you! I'll check the video.

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06/24/2009 11:32 PM

Thanks

your calculation is good .

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06/24/2009 4:51 PM

The pressure is temperature sensitive.

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06/24/2009 4:56 PM

Fifty feet or 600 inches of water. Really.

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06/25/2009 8:18 AM

What is the composition of the "water?"

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06/25/2009 9:02 AM

Pure at 4 ºC (ρ = 1.000)

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06/24/2009 5:53 PM

The same pressure as with a 6" pipe. (if both pipes are fill to the same level)

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06/24/2009 6:48 PM

Wouldn't it be the same pressure for a 1/2" pipe or a 12" pipe or any pipe, given that they are filled to the same level?

(Boy I hope i didn't just have a massive brain fart and make a fool of myself.)

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06/24/2009 9:50 PM

Yes.

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06/24/2009 11:25 PM
Depth of water column vertical feet Water pressure lbs./per /sq./inch
1 0.45
2 0.91
3 1.36
4 1.82
5 2.27
6 2.73
7 3.18
8 3.64
9 4.09
10 4.55

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06/24/2009 11:45 PM

21.65 PSI

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06/25/2009 12:22 AM

Would that be gauge or absolute pressure?

Now that someone has given you the answer in PSI, try and find what it would be in kilopascals

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06/25/2009 12:44 AM

Thanks for the answer. My answer was 27 , but I would have thought it would have been much more. I'm trying to imagine holding up 300 + lbs of water from the bottom of a cylinder. But the area of the cylinder is what was fooling me. PSI , pounds per square in. How many sq inches in a 4in pipe.

Ya , I was being lazy.

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06/25/2009 6:25 AM

Holding up the whole pipe full of water would be hard work but imagine that you were just trying to plug a 1 inch square hole: you would need the 27 lb force, exactly the same as the force you would need to plug a 1 inch square hole at the bottom of a 50 foot deep reservoir.

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06/25/2009 8:00 AM

Did you ask "how many square inches in a 4 in pipe"? Did you just ask that?

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06/25/2009 1:12 AM

gauge

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06/25/2009 1:11 AM

dont think about the area think about the height

pressure = Density x Height x Gravity

KPA=1000 x 15.24m x 9.81/1000

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06/25/2009 12:58 PM

A very simple easy to remember 'rule of thumb' is 2' of water column = 1psi--which is within 15% of true answer. Any quick approximation within 15 % is sufficient for most of the calculations every performed because the needs and data are seldom more precise than +/- 10% Using 2.2'/psi is within 10%

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