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Designing a New Railway Car

09/02/2009 3:37 PM

Dear all- this time my idea is an innovative approach for city train,

I discussed the topic with some engineers that are experts for city traffic, they raised some questions, and one of them was that to design a new type of

rail way car will require much time, they thought that it might last some years

But I think that because this car will move not faster than 40 k.m, and it will be limited to a rail way, it will be easy to design such a car, and therefore the design will not last much time!

What do you think?

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09/02/2009 3:41 PM

Why do you want to design a railway car? There are dozens of companies worldwide who manufacture railway cars to sell. You couldn't possibly design and build one cheaper than you could buy one.

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09/03/2009 12:37 AM

Dear "replyers" -I'm sorry that I didn't emphasize the word "approach" ,I mean that my idea is a complete - comprehensive perception for urban dense populated area.

This is why the design must be different!

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09/03/2009 1:02 AM

Faster light rail super highways are the best option for individual rail autos if overtaking line exits are at high speeds eg. spillway overtaking point, but city subway light freight rail would ease congestion by removing bulk vehicles on pathways. Or just any system removing linear conformity/ guided preservation requirements where higher speed roadways or bulk haulage never exists.

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09/03/2009 2:41 AM

At those speeds you could make the whole thing inflatable, including seats but not the frame/ chassis. Just put up a sign : NO SHARP OBJECTS ALLOWED.

Cleaning would just be a hose through and replacing the structure a job for kids. Hope your having as much fun as I have, Ky.

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09/03/2009 7:35 AM

You are grate, you are grate because I'm thinking about inflateble devices for other goals.

Here I've something different!

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09/02/2009 4:16 PM

Hi az native,

I agree with ronseto,s reply.

You didn't say, so I'll ask:

What benefits would your design have over current designs?

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09/02/2009 5:30 PM

I do not see what design feature your rail car will have over any existing rail cars. So if your rail car will be identical to existing cars, you are correct that no new design time will be required. All one has to do is purchase the model you have in mind from the manufacturer. If you intend on just copying the model you like, well that's at least theft of intellectual property and plagiarism, if not worse. If you intend on just working from the existing standards to design your own rail car, you have a lot of work to do before you can start designing. So you may still be correct if you only count your design time. But it will likely be years of training of all of the codes, regulations and certifications you will first have to get qualified in before your proposal will even be considered for purchasing. I'm certain some minor design work during your education could be accomplished to save time. But I'm also certain that some of the early design work will have to be modified as you discover new requirements.

But it's your time and money. If you do have a good idea somewhere, I say go for it.

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09/02/2009 6:01 PM

Sounds like , from the low speed, a streetcar (trolley) is what you are looking for. Any of the many railway cars commercially available might suit your purpose.

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09/02/2009 7:32 PM

You could take the approach EE's take when they design a circuit. They review existing components from many sources and select the closest fit from these. Their job is to produce a functional circuit by modifying the circuit to accommodate the available components.

If you are going to design custom parts.......................................

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09/03/2009 3:05 AM

I don't think it should take too long.

Something like a roller coaster would be good:

1.) Each station is high.

2.) The start of each section is downhill.

3.) The end of each section is uphill and there is a ratcheted traction system which allows the carriage to roll up as far as it will go then drags it to the top.

This places all the power at fixed points, and, you don't need to carry an engine.

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09/03/2009 3:32 AM

I like it, Ky.

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09/03/2009 7:38 AM

Bravo!

you came close,but you missed the point!

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09/03/2009 3:31 AM

Google light rail vehicles and take some pointers from the results, perhaps?

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09/03/2009 7:54 AM

Randall,

I like your idea especially the gravity flow although you need some study on that for compensation of the difference in weight. Lifting is no problem. I would use a system similar to the cable cars which take you up the mountains for skiing (very neat).

az native "this time my idea is an innovative approach for city train,"

I have seen many urban rail systems all around the world. In my opinion they are not functional mainly for two reasons.

1. they cannot be connected into a network like a metro.

2. They are extremely expensive to build because of the heavy structures .

A much better solution would be to have cable cars, which run only in one direction. They should carry not more than 20 persons (standing) say 2000 Kg. You could have one cabin approaching every 30 seconds.

You can have one or more cable cars running in one direction and the same in the opposite direction.

You will be travelling over the road traffic (without traffic). The stations could be made in light steel structures at every road junction.

A well designed system will help get rid of 50% of the traffic if not more, and 50% of the pollution.

It is not a big deal to design the system, make it look really nice, and make it relatively cheap to produce and install. Your main problem could certifications and regulations. If you tackle the problem on a political level it will make things much easier.

To have an idea of what I am talking about , you can see an example (in miniature) at Dubai along the Creek or Lisbon along the river.

All the best , I'd hope you succeed in your venture.

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09/03/2009 9:35 AM

WOW! you are really close to my idea!

I'll end with the hebrew expression: kol hakavod- that says-all the respect

[in hebrew it sounds better and has a beeter meaning]

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09/03/2009 8:47 AM

Please do yourself a favor and google "personal rapid transit". The wikipedia entry will provide good background. There is much irrefutable theory in support of such systems. In practce, they have been expensive to maintain and difficult in cold and snowy climates. You will also find plenty of argument about applicable safety specifications and standards. The heavy rail, automobile, light rail, and other authorities all want a piece of the action.

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09/03/2009 4:01 PM

Thank you!

I read this article about the prt, and I recomended it to the youger engineer whom I asked for his opinion,and I'll share it to the older one as well.

There are many perceptions that are similar to mine [which is flattering me because though I have no formal education I came to the ideas.]

Now I know that I'm on the right way!

Toda Raba [that means in hebrew -thank you!]

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