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Uses for Brazilian Ipe

12/12/2009 7:34 PM

In a moment of weakness, I bought a 6 ft, 2x4 of used Brazilian ipe. I had never seen the wood before. It's moderately attractive (sort of like redwood on steroids), but I was drawn to the density and hardness. It has to have a specific gravity very close to 1 and it makes rock maple look like a softwood. I'm not even sure I dare run the thing through my planer.

Has anyone ever used this stuff? Any idea what I should use it for? Can I machine it without resharpening everything? How should I finish it?

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Re: What do I do with Brazilian ipe?

12/12/2009 8:15 PM

Add Pee and make some nice pipes!

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Re: What do I do with Brazilian ipe?

12/12/2009 9:04 PM

Cut a slot down it for plate display, mount it somewhere the light picks up the beauty of the wood. Finish to complement the room.

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12/12/2009 9:11 PM

Make an electric guitar body (or bodies) out of it. Go thick and keep joints away from the neck attachment. Even better make the neck and the center section of the body out of one piece of 2X4, and then fill out the body with additional pieces. Keepling the neck and body one piece helps the sustain of the guitar.

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Re: What do I do with Brazilian ipe?

12/12/2009 9:15 PM

Actually on a serious note, you might not want to use it to make pipes because resins in the wood might be dangerous. I had some ebony wood that is super hard and I used it to make jewelry. I cut out shapes and inlaid silver wire, adding a touch of superglue to secure it.

I assume you are a woodworker, I might make a small box or picture frame. Just make sure your tools are sharp and feed the wood in slowly. When I cut that ebony wood, it was like cutting a 3 inch block of solid resin. And I would wear a good dustmask unless you can find out positively that it is non toxic.

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Re: What do I do with Brazilian ipe?

12/12/2009 10:07 PM

It would be nice to play around a bit with this, trying a few finishes. Hand-rubbed oil (e.g., Watco), topped with carnauba wax, will give a semi-matte and quite natural-looking finish. For a classic shiny finish, consider French polish (linseed oil plus shellac). Probably skip polyurethane coatings; they may have their place as tabletop finishes, but are not quite the ticket in fine woodworking. It all depends on what you are trying to do.

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Re: What do I do with Brazilian ipe?

12/12/2009 11:38 PM

I've worked with this wood often.

It is pretty much what you think it is.

It will work the hell out of your planer.

I'd estimate it would cut planer blades time for service in a heavy duty DeWalt, at least a 3rd more than doing down rough red oak.

The dust is fairly toxic.

It is popular around central NC (North Carolina), for decks.

Raw and first go down it is attractive, but will grey right quickly.

The Pentofin treatment is typical, but even that does not prevent the greying.

(I have spelled Pentofin phonetically.)

I have never used it for anything other than as decking.

Or another way of putting it is: I have never used it for interior applications.

It is desirable as a wood for building decks.

It will wear normal saw blades out faster than other woods, and really I regard it as no less toxic than Pressure treated woods filled with arsenic and copper.

So far I have not seen a finish put on it of any account, though I suspect heavy thick epoxy may work, or maybe a wax rub.

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Re: What do I do with Brazilian ipe?

12/13/2009 12:36 AM

During my years in the Navy I had a hobby wood shop in my garage, and built some fairly nice pieces, sometimes with some rather exotic woods. For the most part I found that the best possible finish was tung oil and wax. Though with a wood this hard and dense, you might need a somewhat thinner oil to get adequate penetration.

The basic rule I used for finishing was to hand sand to at least 1200 grit to get a mirror-like finish on the wood itself, and then oil according to the rule of twos. Oil twice a day for a week, twice a week for a month, twice a month for a year, and twice a year ever thereafter. And, once you've gotten past that first six weeks or so, a good grade of paste wax, hand rubbed, between oilings.

The most important thing though, is to make sure that you have a truly excellent surface finish on the wood itself before you begin applying oil or varnish or whatever you choose to use. This piece of hardwood deserves the utmost of craftsmanship.

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Re: What do I do with Brazilian ipe?

12/13/2009 4:41 AM

You make it into a longbow, back it with Ash or Hickory to stop it exploding.
It makes a fine fast bow.
You could machine it, but I prefer hand tools, I've not used it myself but many comercial longbows are made of this. Check out the Primitive Archer' website.
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Re: Uses for Brazilian Ipe

12/13/2009 10:34 PM

This sounds similar to some hardwoods (real HARDwoods) available in the tropics- here in Panama we have Coco Bolo and Purple Heart (an absolutely gorgeous wood), and some woods that are supposedly in the Cherry family (I think Coco Bolo may fall in to this group). The local indigenous peoples carve this wood with knifes, but the more sophisicated woodworkers will use carbide tools. I would expect this wood would eat conventional planer blades, unless you seriously limit the depth of cut...

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12/14/2009 9:47 AM

I've worked with both coco bolo and purple heart. to Me I think coco bolo is the more beutiful of the two.

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12/14/2009 8:04 AM

I built a deck in New England out of Ipe. The edge grained cedar I used previously lasted 20 years before beginning to rot. The Ipe has been on for about 15 years and looks like new. It weathers to a silver gray, but my wife wanted another color so I finished it with Cabot's Australian Timber Oil. The finish sticks and doesn't peel or flake. Ipe is very dense, so the finish doesn't penetrate but sits on the surface and is subject to wear. I have to go over it every 3 years, but this can be done with a sponge applicator and doesn't take much time. Ipe is also very good for exterior stair treads. It is used by the Audubon Society for some of their elevated nature trails in hot damp places (like Florida) and seems to stand up exceptionally well. They claim it is harvested in an ECO friendly manner. I happen to be attracted to fancy grain for my exhibition wood projects. All the Ipe I have seen is straight grain and not particularly attractive, but it sure is wear resistant and dimensionally stable.

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12/14/2009 8:29 AM

here are some specs on Ipe.

http://www.ipedepot.com/techinfo.htm

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12/14/2009 9:21 AM

Check out some of the info (Google, for example) on hardness and uses of Philippine hardwoods.

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12/14/2009 10:22 AM

Or there again, you could make a bow out of it.
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12/14/2009 11:51 AM

Listen to Del. Build a bow.......

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12/14/2009 1:41 PM

Don't be Cross- build a -Bow!!

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12/15/2009 9:27 AM

Ipe is a commonly available imported species used primarily for exterior decking - also used for barns, boat decks, fencing, exterior moulding, etc. It is very rot, decay and insect resistant and is known as an economical alternative to teak or redwood for decks. The available lumber is plantation grown from sustainable sources so it is also seen as an environmentally responsible choice. Not much good for fine furniture because it's not particularly attractive. OK color, but just not very interesting in its grain and overall look, and doesn't take a finish well. I have a few board feet that someone gave me. I've experimented with it on the lathe, and with some small pieces and learned quickly why it is used for decks. As a plantation grown lumber it is grown fast which yields wide rings and the resulting boring grain.

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12/15/2009 9:30 AM

Bow to Del.

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12/15/2009 9:31 AM

Or a bow

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12/17/2009 8:03 AM

I'm not familiar with ipe, but Australians have experience with very dense timbers. The majority of our hardwoods have a s.g. greater than 1 (Cooktown ironbark comes in at 1.5!).

Generally you take fairly small cuts with a planer and there is no problem. You can't bite into it like you can with pine.

It will probably polish to a fine surface finish.

Unless it has a high silica content (like many wattles) it shouldn't be unduly hard on your tools, as most tools are carbide tipped.

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12/17/2009 8:39 AM

It strikes me it might make a decent cudgel?

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12/17/2009 8:58 AM

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or a bow..... <scamper scamper>

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12/17/2009 9:09 AM

How long is a long bow? And, are you sure it's safe to show this technology to a colonial? You know how ungrateful we can be.

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12/17/2009 9:23 AM

It's as tall as you are plus maybe an optional an inch or so.

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12/17/2009 9:05 AM

Nice play on woods. You must belong to a splinter group. You don't make a grain of sense.

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12/17/2009 9:50 AM

You haven't got to the root of the problem either, you are baking up the wrong tree, so leaf me alone!!!

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12/17/2009 10:47 AM

You are ripping me up with your cutting remarks. You couldn't have made it plainer.

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12/17/2009 1:07 PM

Good and funny, but Knot "plainer" but "planer" would have been more accurate!! That Dovetails in better....I am sure that you jointly agree!

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12/17/2009 3:27 PM

Just logging back in to say that you have run rings around me. I haven't the heart to continue. You get the crown!

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12/17/2009 4:07 PM

I somehow feel that we will both find it hard to stop!!!

We appear to be both from the same branch!

We both like kicking Ash!!

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12/17/2009 4:32 PM

You are kiln me!

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12/17/2009 5:05 PM

Oak!

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