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Rethinking: Perpetual Motion

02/24/2010 10:52 PM

Less question, more discussion.

What is your best example of perpetual motion ?

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Re: Finally: 'SAFE’ nuclear power plants ARE on the horizon!

03/06/2010 8:11 PM

When Stephen Hawking wrote his book 'A Brief History of Time' (From the Big Bang to Black Holes) ISBN 9780553109535 for the general public as opposed to colleagues, his publisher told him that 'For every equation he used in the book, he would 'lose half of his readership.''

The only 'equation' per say that was in the book was E=MC Just about everyone has heard this one so it wouldn't 'scare people away.'

In truth he used many more equations in the book: they were all in 'long hand' for laymen and took up a paragraph or two instead. (< 8)

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Re: Rethinking: Perpetual Motion

03/11/2010 6:34 PM

Getting back on track:

In 1924 The Bose Einstien Condensate was solved with math. it took another 70 some odd years to enact the physical application. Cornell and Wieman proved it in 1995.

Kleppner: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bdzHnApHM9A

Kleppner comments suggest a resting state.

Michio: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RDocoSWqPY&NR=1

Michio, Cornell,Wieman, and the study I mentioned in my reply to Blink indicate that it is atoms grouping in constant motion.

If this is true PM we are just begining to understand how little we have learned.

This study is widely over looked by common science. IE: Throughout this thread my indicated motives were in my sig all along.

I would look forward to opinions?

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03/15/2010 6:28 AM

I'm aware of BEC and like most things have done some reading on it.

But will need a bit of a refresher to brush up on it.

I'm pretty busy, but I'm happy to do so.

It's a very interesting and intriguing realm.

Super conductivity is quite the phenomenon as well.

Remember the physics charts that had 'matter disappearing' at absolute zero when all vibration stops. As matter is energy, and all energy just seems to be 'vibrations' of some sort or other. Well the've gotten within a few millionths of a degree to it, so... What's the story now? LoL

I remember a well known SciFi writer being interviewed and he was asked that if he was 'creating the world' what would he change?

There were two things: One was that there wouldn't be any 'clear solids'.

When asked why he replied that with no 'glass' people could never build very potent destructive manned machines as they couldn't go very fast in any of them.

I'd most definaetly be up the creak big time. I was born so nearsighted and with a drastic stigmatism that I bordered on legally blind.

The first military pilot that ejected at around the mach one had his eyeballs driven into the back of his skull almost instantaneously. Not trying to be gory or anything like that or 'celebrate it.' I'm just presenting it as an example of what he was talking about and it is factual. It does illustrate his point quite well.

Also, it still amazes me that there even ARE 'clear solids' to start with!

They seem quite 'mutually exclusive' to me.

How CAN it be 'Solid' but 'Clear' at the same time?

As wild as the scientist that has developed a device to 'bring light to a complete standstill, and then releases it and off it goes again 'at the speed of light'!

Whew, what a wondrous and splendiferous realm we inhabit!

I'm still constantly awed by the things we are learning about creation.

Someone or something most definitely has a LOT better and more creative imagination than I do! If it was up to me…. Not even in the same 'universe!' let alone the 'ball park!' None of those would even exisit.

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03/18/2010 9:27 PM

Last year I was thinking about the following system, and became tormented by it...

As each wave comes in to shore, and acts on the buoyant vessel on the right, the rise and fall of the buoyant vessel acts across the lever arms, and actuates a pumping mechanism. The counterweight is tuned to balance the system. My thinking was that as long as there are waves, there will be water pumped, and energy can be stored in a reservoir. (assuming that the bearings of the levers and the pump parts hold out forever) It would at least be a very long running system...

the associated reservoir of water can be used to offset peak energy costs on the grid.

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03/18/2010 11:36 PM

Yo! When the oil runs out in Texas, just move all those "grasshoppers" out to the ocean....

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03/18/2010 11:49 PM

I assume you are referring to pumpjacks.. we have our share here in Alberta... interesting idea... they would have to be sandblasted and marine painted.. but it could work. thanks.

I still have no idea whether the apparatus would pump water though??

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03/19/2010 12:22 AM

With suitable seals, probably yes. But during idle periods, it might start to collect barnacles or something.

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03/19/2010 2:41 AM

I still have no idea whether the apparatus would pump water though??

Yep, it would.

I saw an installation on TV a while ago that had big long ''J' shaped (in cross section) concrete structures with the long vertical part of the J along the bottom of the ocean and the semicircular part sticking upwards and the concave part facing out to sea all lined up in rows close to the shore where the waves built up. As the waves come up into it and then recede again the volume of air trapped up inside the enclosed space of the 'J hook' varies. They harness the energy from it. In this case for producing electricity.

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03/19/2010 6:09 AM

Replace the pump with a magnet moving in a coil, and you make some electricity each time a wave passes.

For me it even doesn't have to be so complex:

Each time a wave passes the magnetic field induces electricity in the coil.

The pole can be fixed in the seebed but also the structural members of the pier.

It might need some experiments on the magnet size and organisation in the pole, with respect to the size of the waves and tidal influence.

you can call this a "simple" approach, the kind of simpleness which is missing in many alternative energy harvesting systems.

The tendency to make it way to complex is killing the potentials. Don't try to solve world hunger with every installation, assume them to be droplets.

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03/19/2010 10:07 AM

I like it Gwen! GA.

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03/19/2010 11:24 PM

Hi Gwen,

You're right. I've seen similar on TV. Just teathered floats bobing n the 'perpetual waves'

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