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Accidents and Power Tool Safety

05/05/2010 1:47 PM

I read many accounts about accidents caused by power tools. First off, power tools don't cause accidents (at least not very often). Accidents are caused by people. Does this sound like the argument for or against firearms? If so, it's because they are both very similar. Firearms rarely fail except through damage or neglect. Power tools are no different. If you use a power tool in the wrong way or abuse it, bad things could happen. This discussion is triggered (no pun intended) by the recent court case against Ryobi Power Tools Division where 1.5 million was awarded to the plaintiff. By the way, the plaintiff was found to be 35% at fault and Ryobi 65%.

While Saw stop can gloat over this court decision, it still doesn't make a case for Saw stop technology over any other power tool technology. I would hope that the court decision would be overturned as the plaintiff was clearly at fault, but juries are sympathetic over someone losing their livelihood. Sympathy probably was the reason for the 35% fault which reduced the award to such a small sum. After attorney fees, the plaintiff may get less than a million.

Power tools can be very intimidating and sometimes frightening to people who don't use them; again the same as with firearms. To these people, it is best that they stay away from them entirely. But! power tools (and firearms) are a fact of life and necessary in the world we live in. For those who use power tools, there are those who are satisfied with the tools as they now exist. They recognize and respect what the tool can do, how dangerous they can be and how they can be used safely. Then there are those who feel less comfortable around power tools and would like to see more safeguards built into tools. Saw stop so far has been able to come up with a safeguard used on one of the most dangerous tools around, the table saw (cabinet saws included). It has been proven to eliminate injuries caused by running fingers into rotating saw blades. It doesn't however eliminate other injuries caused by saws; kickback.

It is my opinion and mine alone, that power tools in general and table saws in particular can never be made to be 100% safe. As long as there is any physical interface between a human and a machine, there will always be a chance that something can go wrong. What can go wrong is never anticipated, but when something goes wrong, the result may be injury; the extent dependent mainly on luck. When tools fail or people get injured, the safety flag goes up and everyone starts speculating how to prevent it from happening in the future. Some say "make blade guards mandatory"; others say "add riving knives" and some advocate the Saw stop system. While each system or "safeguard" may add an additional measure of safety, it can never prove to be 100% effective. Let me take Saw stop as an example. Let's assume it is 99.99% effective. That means one out of 10,000 could fail. (I say could and not would) That one failure would reduce confidence in the Saw stop system. I'm not trying to make a case against Saw stop or anyone, but my point is nothing is perfect; not the Apollo spacecraft or the safety devices on the offshore oil rigs. Compare the time, effort and money spent on the latter two compared to that spent on the Saw stop or any other "safety device".

I really think that true safety can only be attained through experience. A child learns not to touch a hot stove by first hand experience much quicker than if he is told "the stove is hot". Inevitably he will learn through experience. The same is true with power tools. Watching a saw blade cut through a piece of wood usually is enough display of power to keep people from running their fingers through the blade. Accidents are never anticipated. They happen! Every person on this earth, who works with power tools, will suffer an injury in their lifetime. Some will be minor and some major. The severity of the injury will depend on his experience. It is the experience and nothing else that determines the extent of an accident. Experience is the ultimate teacher. It can be a hard way to learn a lesson, but I see no easy way. Safety devices on tools can help prevent accidents and injuries, but the final lesson will always rely on experience.

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Re: Accidents and Power Tool Safety

05/05/2010 1:59 PM

Any OEM or manufacturer have to carry insurance for this type of situation> even though neglect by the plaintiff could even be more or even the majority at fault, awards would still be awarded.

They the government is trying to put a cap on this, but that would be taking bread off the table for the trial lawyers which has its lobbyist against it.

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05/05/2010 3:34 PM

Totally agree, you should have spent some more time on the lawyers. In most cases the lawyers get 30% of the award. That would amount to $450,000 for the lawyer... not a bad day at work ... if your the lawyer.

Lower or remove that incentive and we'd have a lot less lawsuits when the elderly woman spills coffee in her lap.

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05/05/2010 3:51 PM

Lack of personal responsibility + lawsuit mentality = more lawyers and fewer responsible people

A downward spiral

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05/05/2010 4:15 PM

Again, I find myself in agreement. I don't think this downward spiral has an end.

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05/06/2010 5:55 AM

Ron's argument is essentially true, but it diminishes the year by year continual improvements to firearms and power tool safety. If Ron's argument holds, there is no need to learn from accidents and make improvments. The overreactions (and law suits) that occur are not as frequent and successful as one might believe (in the case of firearms manufacturers, there's little liability on them at all for their faulty products). I'll end with a story - one's 16-year old gets his first job at a fast food restaurant. He is asked to work on a mixer. This restaurant's mixer is an old, unguarded mixer, and the child's hair becomes entangled in the mixer. He is subsequently killed. The simple guarding improvements to the average kitchen machinery has prevented such accidents. While Ron's point on overreaction is valid, there is great good that has come from machinery and firearms engineering improvements.

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05/06/2010 8:53 AM

I was trained (and worked in hazardous conditions for many years) that people are hurt because of: 1) an unsafe condition and/or 2) an unsafe act. Power tools by function present unsafe conditions so proper use of them requires realizing that and avoiding using them in an unsafe manner. I believe the same applies to firearms. I suppose someone could argue that faulty design increases the unsafe condition but primary responsibility should rest on the user, my opinion anyway. Unfortunately any bozo can buy a firearm or a power tool but that should not be used as a reason to prevent a responsible user from having them.

Can't comment specifically about the Ryobi situation.

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05/06/2010 9:26 AM

When I was a teen, I worked in a family food store, as was common in many of the family run business in the area. One pizzeria had an older grinding machine. Over the years the wife, and one of the children lost fingers to that machine. They sold the business and the machine was still in use. Sad to remember.

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05/07/2010 3:02 PM

While agree on the success of power tools and firearms, it will be as ronseto says, a man-machine interface and men are well, let's say a bit imperfect....

You never must feel you are ruling the machine and expect the un-expectable. This is valid for power tooling as for firearms.

One example that happen to me when I did my military service and was in charge of the two companies formed group armory:

We used to have shooting practices once a week. I had to supervise it. One of those days, after getting the ammunition (7.63 mm), went whit one of the companies to the shooting gallery and ordered to the soldier in charge to give 5 cartridges to each soldier and gave the normal safety instruction to al soldiers (if something goes wrong, let the riffle on the board with the barrel in the shooting direction, up the right arm and wait without turning body or face)

One soldier did it. I went and ask him what happened. He said: The riffle don´t shoot, Sir.

I ask him if he shoot any bullet and the answer was No, Sir. I took the clip and could count 5 cartridges. Then pull completely the extracting lever, put in their normal position again and press the trigger (fortunately following the rules, aiming at the target) I was surprised by the shoot. I never knew if I hit the target. I was very impressed because I missed to not take confidence on the fact a cartridge wasn't ejected when I pulled up the lever and I must have look into the barrel.

After a review, we found the following:

- The clip had been charged with SIX cartridges (not five as ordered)

- None of the soldiers (ammunition's and shooter) noticed that.

- The percussion needle was broken

- The extractor was broken too.

Too many coincidences could result in losing a life....

From this day I don´t aim a broom to something alive.

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