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Tesla & Power transmission

05/08/2010 1:38 PM

The scientist Tesla tried in past to transmit electrical power through air.

Is there any hope to achieve his dream today ?

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05/08/2010 2:19 PM

Hope? Yes.

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  • 2004: Inductive Power Transfer used by 90 percent of the US$1 billion clean room industry for materials handling equipment in semiconductor, LCD and plasma screen manufacture.[citation needed]
  • 2005: Prof Boys' team at The University of Auckland, refines 3-phase IPT Highway and pick-up systems allowing transfer of power to moving vehicles in the lab.[citation needed]
  • 2007: A physics research group, led by Prof. Marin Soljačić, at MIT, wirelessly power a 60W light bulb with 40% efficiency at a 2 metres (6.6 ft) distance using two 60 cm-diameter coils.[23]
  • 2008: Bombardier offers new wireless transmission product PRIMOVE, a power system for use on trams and light-rail vehicles.[24]
  • 2008: Industrial designer Thanh Tran, at Brunel University made a wireless light bulb powered by a high efficiency 3W LED.[citation needed]
  • 2008: Intel reproduces Nikola Tesla's original 1894 implementation and Prof. John Boys group's 1988 follow-up experiments by wirelessly powering a nearby light bulb with 75% efficiency.[25]
  • 2008: Greg Leyh and Mike Kennan of the Nevada Lightning Laboratory publish a paper on Nikola Tesla's disturbed charge of ground and air method of wireless power transmission with circuit simulations and test results showing an efficiency greater than can be obtained using the Electrodynamic Induction method.[26]
  • 2009: A Consortium of interested companies called the Wireless Power Consortium announced they were nearing completion for a new industry standard for low-power Inductive charging[27]
  • 2009: Reference[28] introduced an Ex approved Torch and Charger aimed at the offshore market. This product was developed by Wireless Power & Communication, a Norway based company.
  • 2009: Reference[29] A simple analytical electrical model of resonance power transfer system was proposed and applied to wireless power transfer for implantable devices.
  • 2010: Haier Group debuts the world's first completely wireless LCD television at CES 2010 based on Prof. Marin Soljačić's follow-up research on wireless energy transfer and Wireless
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05/08/2010 3:54 PM

1956 - on a farm without streetlights or electricity close to the med wave AM and short wave radio transmission towers. A 40 watt florescent tube glowed sufficiently to be able to read.

At that stage my dad had a book published in 1935 that believed it would be possible to power a train via Tesla transmission,

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05/09/2010 8:21 AM

It depends on whether you're interested in efficiency. Charging the battery in an implanted medical device doesn't require high efficiency. Powering your house does.

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05/10/2010 11:40 AM

Agreed! I am never against research, but to even hint at wide spread use at the efficiency levels they a currently achieving, they better stop even talking about the efficiency levels of current automobiles and appliances. -- JHF

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05/09/2010 8:35 AM

Yep. Dental fillings have been receiving am radio stations for almost a century now. Just not much efficiency there.

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05/09/2010 8:56 AM

Tesla was very smart, but sadly went down the broadcast power blind alley. What killed it was the need to have a sufficient power density inside the radiative sphere so that an anenna would have enough aperture to intercept enough power to operate the device.

One of the Lyn references spoke of 40% efficiency at running a 40W bulb. This was between with 60cm between the powered coil and the receiver coil.

In his experiments Tesla ran right into this problem, and was defeated by it, as we are today. I think it will only work with 'gimmick' solutions. I see all manner of people yapping about their success where Tesla failed. In fact he did not fail at low power/small distance solutions, he did as well as they do today, more or less.

We will never see freight trains run by broadcast power...the losses would be too large for economic viability. Of course, if power is free and you can waste 99.9% of it you could create a field a few miles across where power could be drawn from that field with a coil. The power density might be risky to people/birds/small animals...

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05/10/2010 8:16 AM

Never say never.

Electric Power concentration is being studied.

Arturo Pérez

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05/09/2010 9:06 AM

What about the people that claim that magnetic fields from power lines gives them head aches and cancer?

I know that we are already immerse in a soup of EM (Electro Magnetic) waves but its density will have to be increased when we will power all our gadgets from the air. What will the health effect be? Are we playing with fire?

Note that Tesla himself exposed to intense electrical fields didn't have a very healthy end of life. Were his mental problems caused by stress or EM fields? We don't know but should thread carefully before engulfing us in even denser EM fields.

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05/09/2010 9:12 AM

yes, we might not like living in a field where one kilowatt could be drawn from the field with a 1 foot coil. Runner might experience shorted turn blood heating, horses might be pushed sideways at racetracks and bees would fly in spirals ( as in a cloud chamber...I realize the allegory is not precise), and birds would break new ground. We would also be free of overflights by aircraft

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05/11/2010 2:09 PM

I think the car's exhaust gases are more dangerous than EM and there is so far no any real proof that EM is bad for human body.

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05/09/2010 12:26 PM

Seriously, it's hardly a dream; it's been done many times. But, it's not very practical for general use.

I remember an old Mennonite farmer nearby who was caught stealing borrowing power from the high tension lines on his farm by induction coil. This was the late 60s.

I worked on a project in the NIH 6T MRI facility in the 90s. We desperately needed to drill a hole. The MRI staff told us we'd need to sacrifice a drill. We took one in, it turned on by itself, it ran at probably 10000 RPM, and it burned up after about 20 seconds. Impossible to control except by moving around in the field.

In the 80s, I built a large air core transformer for transit use. It was about 60% efficient.

In the 60s, I worked a few days in a grid tie-point substation that had lost it's ground during the big blackout. Everything in there was powered, including things like the gas tanks of the trucks. Not a very safe place.

So, in general, why do it?

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05/09/2010 2:36 PM

So,is there a hope to run electrical cars in the future in the streets receiving their electrical power via transmission through air ?

Is it a good idea?

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05/09/2010 2:38 PM

Good prophecy,but it will be fulfilled

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05/09/2010 2:42 PM

But the body of the car should be electromagnetic wave protected to protect the driver.

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05/09/2010 2:48 PM

Any car manufacturer going to use the "Guest"s idea should first get a permit from him for his idea.

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05/09/2010 2:42 PM

If you can power a car with 500mW, maybe.

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05/09/2010 2:27 PM

No. Not in any practical sense.

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05/09/2010 3:03 PM

I think this project can be use practically in the high ways(free ways)where there is no population, and through small streets the car's charged battery can be used.

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05/11/2010 12:21 PM

Isn't that called "radio"?

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05/12/2010 5:30 PM

I am personally consider Nicolas Tesla is the greater scientist not Albert Einstein ?

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