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Force of Impact

05/18/2010 7:44 AM
I am asking this question for a fellow co-worker. He is working on testing a pallet load of product and has performed several calculations to determine the amount of force this load will see when it come to a sudden stop at 6 mph. He has found several web sites that give the formula, and one that will even give you the answer when you enter in all your information. The problem lies when he supplies our mananger this information. He doesnt buy into it.

Pallet load = 1800 pounds

Pallet speed = 6 mph

Deceleration Time = 300 milliseconds

If you would be so kind as to assist us in the solving of this problem ......or atleast providing us with the proper formula to obtain the required results, it would be greatly appreciated. We believe, from what we can determine, that this pallet load will see approximately 11500 lbs-ft/sec².

Any assistance in helping to prove to our boss that we are right would be greatly appreciated......ar atleast tell us we are wrong and what we have done incorrectly so we can tell the boss that he is ri........righ........oh i just can say it

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05/18/2010 8:10 AM

Force = mass x acceleration.

Acceleration = speed / time (in this case)

6mph = 6 * (5280/3600) ft.s-1 = 8.8 ft.s-1

Acc = 8.8 * 1000 / 300 ft.s-2 = 29.33... ft.s-2

So force = 1800 lbs * 29.33... ft.s-2 = 52800 lbs.ft.s-2

(I think! Not used to calculations in imperial measures these days).

How did you calculate your result?

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05/18/2010 9:01 AM

I think that:

"So force = 1800 lbs * 29.33... ft.s-2 = 52800 lbs.ft.s-2"

should read:

So force = 1800 lbs * 29.33/32.2... ft.s-2 = 1640 lbs.ft.s-2

using mass instead of weight.

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05/18/2010 9:20 AM

No, I think my answer stands. The 1800 pound "weight" is actually an 1800 pound mass (lbm). It would still be 1800 lb (i.e. 1800 lbm) in zero g.

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05/18/2010 9:05 AM

I misspoke the values for the answer......we did get the same result as you (52800)

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05/18/2010 9:16 AM

I am not familiar with the units you use so that please specify if the 1800 pounds are mass or weight.

As indicated the force is Mxacc

If 1800 are mass units then F= 1800*V/t where V is the speed in yiur units and t the time of 0.3s.

If 1800 is the weight then the force will be 1800* (V/g*t) where g = 32.185 ft/s².

V= 6mph= 8.8 ft/s thus acc= 29.33 ft/s²

is 1800 mass units then force = 1800*29.33=52799 lbs

if 1800 weight then force = 1800*29.33/32.185=1640 lbs

May be here is the misunderstanding with your boss.

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05/18/2010 11:05 AM

I believe nick name and passingtongreen are right. I worked this in SI units (believe me, I need the practice):

m = 1800 lb = 816.5 kg

υ = 6 mph = 2.71 m/s

t = 0.3 s

F = (816.5 kg)(2.71 m/s)/(0.3 s) = 7377 kg*m/s2 = 7377 N

Converting Newtons to lbf:

7376 N = 1658 lbf

A bit off due to someone's conversion errors.

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05/19/2010 1:22 AM

What you must calculate is Impulse: Impulse

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05/18/2010 12:25 PM

OP said the mass (or weight) is 1800 lb. If you use that, answer is ~ 52800 lbs.ft.s-2 (also called poundal, or was once, you don't hear much about poundal nowadays). 1 lbf = 32.2 poundal, giving 1640 lbf.

If you convert the mass into slug (1 slug = 32.2 lb) answer comes out direct in lbf (= slug.ft.s-2).

Easier in SI units!

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05/18/2010 12:51 PM

thanks for all the answers.....all GA's it definately helped us to verify that our numbers were correct. From the looks of things we started our right, just didnt finish as needed.

thanks for the help

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Re: Force of Impact

05/19/2010 12:58 PM

This solution assumes a constant force causing the deceleration. That is rarely the case in the real world unless you are impacting against an energy absorbing device that is designed to stroke at a preset force-distance rate ( like a hydraulic cylinder discharging into a reservoir to lift a dead weight. or a wire pulled through a bending roller). If you are trying to design packaging to absorb impact energy to protect an item from damage you need to look at real world impact conditions and responses. There is a lot of research info on that subject out there in the automotive world and military helicopter crash safety design.

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