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Quick Release Mechanism Must Withstand 50,000 lbs When Fastened

05/19/2010 6:10 PM

Two 3/8" thick steel plates, 2' long are usually fastened by drilling six - ten 3/4" holes near the edge of both plates using conventional nuts and bolts.

But time is an issue so even 6 quick release bolts _may_ take too long. It would be better to have a single lever quick release that holds the entire 2' edge together with a force of 50,000 lbs.

When the plates are being fastened they are held together by 8,000 -12,000 lbs force from the rest of the structure anyway so the fastener doesn't have to tighten or draw over a long distance.

This suggests that some kind of slight travel / cam mechanism may work.

A strip of linch pins might do the trick if,

1. they were easy to insert, and,

2. could keep the plates from separating too much once inserted (< 1/32"), and,

3. easy to extract after everything got beat all to hell.

In other words, it should work even after it becomes "a piece of s---."

What is the solution?

Bret Cahill

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Re: Quick Release Mechanism Must Withstand 50,000 lbs When Fastened

05/19/2010 6:59 PM

This sounds like a military contract proposal. Can I get paid a consulting fee if you get the contract?

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05/19/2010 7:50 PM

This was supposed to be a cost effective near consumer market item, a low tolerance part that can be beaten with a 10 lb hammer and still work, not some prissy 5-axis-machining-to-the-nearest-0.001" nonsense.

Articulating the problem here may have helped lead to the solution:

The lower plate can have rings or hoops that extend through slots in the top plate for linch pins. The pins and hoops are cam shaped so that the pins will always fit in the hoops in a certain orientation, even after everything is beat up. The pins have short 90 degree arms or levers on them that rotate the pins after they are inserted, tightening them against the hoops.

If anything gets stuck the only tool necessary is a piece of pipe.

Is there a name for this kind of fastening system? It may have been invented in the bronze age.

Bret Cahill

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05/21/2010 11:51 AM

Have your browsed Reid Tool supply's catalog. You can probably come up with most of it off the shelf there. It sounds like you might want some conic section locating pins, I can't think of the name of the tool here but I know I've seen wrenches in McMaster carr with a ponted end to allow easy alignment of two parallel plates with locating holes.

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05/21/2010 3:32 PM

Maybe not in the bronze age but certainly in the iron age. Perhaps what you are looking for is what in Italian is "Una chiusa a piede di porco", used to join together the steel hoop of a wine-press.

My best description: a quick release method by a hooked 1/2 in. diameter rod shaped and inserted to fix two mated holes of the curved steel strips together.

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05/19/2010 8:38 PM

You might look at the type of quick-release clamps used to hold parts down on a T-slotted milling table. Basically a T-head bolt goes down into the slot and then a lever-arm nut is tightened down.

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05/19/2010 10:58 PM

Thanks. I was just reminded of T bolts just before you posted. I vaguely remember them on the doors on vessels.

A couple of omissions in the OP:

1. When released the top plate only needs to be raised an inch or less.

2. For additional safety -- say the operator forgets to re secure the top plate -- it is better if the top plate is restricted from much more movement than a fraction of an inch even when released.

T bolt slots aren't desirable but that is the kind of response I was seeking.

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05/20/2010 11:19 PM

a couple of omissions...? Hmm.. I wonder what else could you tell us ... that has not come to light, yet.

How much space is avail for the coupling adjcent to the plates and/or in a reasonable surrounding radius?

what energy storage & transmission utilities do you have avail? ( mechanical utility such as: compressed air? how about a hydraulic pump? or AC and DC electricity supplies? )

What environment does this need to function in? Such as on a specialized construction site? or in a factory? or mobile and transportable overland or sea? or in a combat zone?

Off the top of my head and without the benefit of more background data I suggest you consider the '5th wheel and trailer pin' on an over-the-road tractor trailer. Very elegant in it's simplicity, and brutal in strength. self locking upon closure of the components which removes coupling accidents significantly.

if you can firmly attach several 'hitch pins equally spaced upon one plate and an equal number of hitch locks, these are very resilient to abuse and can be extreemly fast acting, both to grip and release.

There is one quick idea, without knowing more of your remaining resources and/or restrictions.

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05/21/2010 11:48 AM

Since the condition of the workpiece(s) doesn't seem to be a factor, either before or after the 50,000 lb. application, what if we intentionally deform the work with a hydraulic ram. The ram would force the work into a "pocket" in the opposing face, shallow to be sure, but functioning as a detent which would keep the two plates held in position. When the forging, or lifting, or whatever, is complete, we release the hydraulic pressure and end up with two, slightly dented, 3/8" plates.

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05/21/2010 4:22 AM

A sketch of the plates' orientation to each other would be helpful as I cant tell if they are completely laid on top of each other or if one plate's edge is overlaid on the other plate's edge, if so, by how much, or do they butt edge to edge. It has not been explained.

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05/21/2010 7:54 AM

Bolts with interrupted threads (like a gun breech) are about as fast as you can get. A step up from these would be explosively operated bolts. They could all be released in about .001 second.

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05/21/2010 12:12 PM

please provide a quick sketch for context. I'm not getting it.

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05/21/2010 2:44 PM

I'll get back to this later with a Sketchup drawing.

If we get enough patent applications in Sketchup we can force either Google to include a "Patent" style or the patent office to accept Sketchup files in the "Hidden Line" style.

The the meantime -- this is getting to be like a basket of puppies -- there is another problem.

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05/21/2010 5:31 PM

I am not sure about the basket of puppies, you have 7 of us, with one message each, attempting to understand your need to the degree where we can help, I admit they are a shotgun splatter of comments/answers - However, note that you have provided 5 of the current 12 messages and we still do not 'grasp' what you are asking clearly enough to give specific answers. With nearly half the messages from the questioner and we still do not know how to help you. I would not say it is the puppies that are the issue. no offense meant.

Please, be a little less candid AND do a simple sketch in any graphic program where you can then save the sketch to either a JPG or PDF format so that everybody out there can open it and attach to you next post (use the green camera symbol above the text entry box to attach an image) even if you use Powerpoint. I will back on CR4 by Monday; and honestly, I expect one of the many other master gadgeteers here will have solved your design need by then. There are many many 'mouse trap' simple latch designs that are capable of holding back very large forces, yet able to release safely, very quickly. As engineers, if we understand your application we will generally find your solution.

Also, you did not answer my questions as to the nature of the application. (environment, mobile or grounded, etc., if compressed air or a hydraulic systems are available?)

Oh, and the pointed end wrenches mentioned in one of the responses are steel workers spuds: (think of the old B&W photos of the beams being assembled way up above a city skyline in the big sky scraper days of old...) The tools heyday was at its height when joining beams ws done with hot rivetted plate connections. In the days of red hot iron rivets, the time lost in dealing w/minor misalignment would allow too much cooling of the hot rivets and they would have to be reheated. So the pointed end of the wrench handle was rammed and hammered into an overlapping pair of holes to force alignment of the holes in overlapping steel, this was done so that the first couple of rivets (and now-a-days bolts) can be slipped into adjcent holes and fastened in place to hold the plates from slipping, another wrench was forced in at the far end of the field of holes to align a second hole at that end, this aligned the entire lap-joint for the rest of the rivets to easily be inserted Red-hot. I used them when college and working building box gurder bridges on an interstate highway job.

good luck on you problem...

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05/21/2010 6:01 PM

well said Bill. ga.
this should become boilerplate for so many OP's.

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05/22/2010 12:22 AM

Aye, a very good answer. The problem I fear is that this is really such an elementary problem that if it ever this problem does get accurately sketched and presented here, them the OP will no longer be able to claim a unique solution to gain the contract.

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05/21/2010 5:41 PM

Off the wall idea. One plate with round stubs sticking out from the side. "number and size determined by material and design of plates." The other plate has dual counter rotating cams that grip the stubs. The cam latches are connected together to release or latch as a single unit. The counter rotating cams design think of auto door latches or truck tailgate latches.

This design I believe has some room for abuse in alignment and tolerance and still work and hold. Thinking about how auto doors hold shut in accidents most of the time even with major damage to side of auto.

Though this idea would take some design effort for your application if room is available.

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05/23/2010 4:17 PM

See "CamClamp" at http://groups.google.com/group/google-sketchup?hl=en

An operator already lost one of the thingamajigs.

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