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Welding of Thin Stainless Steel

05/26/2010 12:16 AM

I am working in a Kitchen Equipment making Company, which makes table tops, trolleys etc.,and I want to know that how we could reduce the cost of welding of ''Thin Stainless steel sheets" less than 2 mm. Currently we were using the argon welding process. Is there any other type of welding to reduce cost and the same time no change in quality?

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05/26/2010 12:54 AM

I think, either a MIG of TIG is still most common. Micro plasma and/or LASER welding are alternative ways but more complicated and more expensive in cost. I guess you don't want to step down to the acetylene torch?

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05/27/2010 12:08 AM

If your kitchen material is 2 mm thick, than you build strong.

That is the reason why I have put MIG first

You will do a lot of plies, corners, bends with the finish of the corners most still work for a sander.

So having a slight overdose permits sharper edges, if required.

Downhill MIG, and thinner TIG.

With a lot of respect also for the valuable suggestions of CR4 contributors adaptable a la carte.

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05/27/2010 8:23 AM

I have used pulsed tig and once is is set for your application it will do the best job om thin sheet with the least skill in the least time. Use reisistance, friction or spot anywhere you can tolerate a non sanitary crevice or overlap. Which in food machiery is not likley to be many points. Those weldments are real fast from an assembly point of view.

Reserve mig for thicker things

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05/27/2010 11:52 PM

Thank You, Very much For Suggestion.

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Re: Welding of thin stainless steel

05/26/2010 3:21 AM

TIG welding may be suitable..

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05/26/2010 8:11 PM

" Currently we were using the argon welding process".

Argon is a shielding gas, not a welding process. So, MIG or TIG is fine, but as dvmdsc suggests, laser welding is the absolute best way to weld thin SS. You can still use Argon.

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05/26/2010 11:46 PM

For small parts that will fit within the vacuum chamber, E-beam is pretty good too. But both laser as well as E-beam welding require a lot of CAPEX outlays for equipment.

Again if you are willing to spend some money up front, the best thing you could do is invest in a good six axis robot or two with a laser welding head and program the weld into the robot and dispense with as much of the labor as possible. payroll is the largest fraction of any business's overhead. Anything to pare off warm bodies from the payroll will save beau coups bucks. Automation is key.

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05/27/2010 12:43 AM

The best bet will be Pulsed TIG Welding, a modified version of TIG process. It is a solid state electronic controller fitted unit and helps to preset the parameters like peak and back ground currents and time duration, pre - post flow times for gas, up & down slope etc. It scores over conventional TIG process by following features:

1. Tolerates variations in joint fit up and clamping.

2.permits welding of sheets as low as 1.00 mm thick. with ease which is not possible by normal TIG and well suited for kitchen equipment farication where a lower sheet metal thickness is being used.

3.Minimises distortion owing to controlled heat input,

4.Makes positional welding including vertical and over head easier and with higher currents even on lower thickness range,

5.require less operator's skill compared to normal TIG process,

6,Well suitable for automation comparatively,

7. Strong electromagnetic forces developed by high pulse current agitate the weld puddle and thereby eliminate weld porosity and ensure 100% root fusion

8. Very ideal for thin pipe sections, dissimilar metal thicknesses, Aluminium ( AC pulsed TIG), SS ( DC pulsed TIG) etc.

9. Near zero distortion in thin sheet welding.

For below 0.50 mm thickness, may be micro plasma TIG welding process will be good.

The most significant feature of Pulsed TIG process is apparent tolerances to external variables such as joint geometry, clamping, fit up, dissimilar thickness or other factors causing variation in thermal heat sink.

The advantage is that, the current is passed in the form of pulses. The pulsed current alternates between, a low or back ground level and a high or a peak level. The duration and amplitude of both peak and back ground currents can be varied independently to suit the job thickness. the melting takes place during the peak current time period and weld pool solidifies between pulses as the heat is dissipated in the job during the back ground current period. This current pulsing leads to intermittent melting along the joint seam, giving as series of discrete melt spots which overlap each other.

Typical parameters for a thin sheet welding are:

Peak current range ( DC) --- 100 to 200 amps

Back ground current range --- 10 to 100 amps

Peak current time duration --- 0.10 to 4.0 seconds

Back gr. current time duration --- 1 to 4 seconds

Gas pre flow & post flow time --- 0.1 to 5 seconds.

MIG welding as such is not suitable for thin sheets. Maybe Pulsed MIG process ( but unit is expensive) could be used for thin sheet. Comparatively, Pulsed TIG is economical.

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05/26/2010 11:47 PM

tig would be it for thinner and better grade of weld. and on really thin material (20 ga and up), a pulse on your welder would help

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05/27/2010 12:03 AM

The lowest cost technology for 300 series stainless is resistance welding. Joint design and appearance is different than for other welding methods, so you would have to determine whether your products can be made compatible with this method. Believe me, nothing can touch it for cost. No gas or consumables required.

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05/27/2010 12:12 AM

Very interesting. Do you have documentation about it? Would be highly appreciated.

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05/27/2010 12:54 AM

The Resistance Welding Manual, 3rd Edition (1956!) says that spot welding of SS is not much different from welding low-carbon steel. It has to be descaled and degreased, like any other steel. Welding currents and times are generally less than for low-carbon steel, but the exact values would probably be determined by test anyway.

Parts may have to be redesigned to allow access to weld sites from both sides; parts originally designed to be riveted usually adapt well to spot welding, but parts designed to be welded from one side may need a good deal of redesign.

If you can pull it off, though, your manufacturing costs DO go down, and you can get almost perfect consistency from part to part with very little effort.

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05/27/2010 12:49 AM

I heartily agree with you!

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05/27/2010 1:03 AM

Resistance Welding process may not suit all the joint configurations in kitchen equipments welding, due to its over lapping design requirements. Some times the kitchen equipments will be of round in nature, rectangle, oval and with with lapping at the top edges.

Without proper fixtures it will be difficult to weld bottom to side wall sheets. But well suitable to plain areas like in bus body front wind sheet assemblies, automobile side body welding, panel boards etc.

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05/27/2010 12:44 AM

Assuming the construction of product is amenable, I would suggest you carryout trial using spot/stitch/seam welding.

Advantages:

Elimination of distortions.

No problem of oxidation.

Very simple fixture requirement.

Ease of joining very thin sheets.

Good savings in cost due to elimination of consumable like gas and filler rods

I had an outstanding success adapting this technique for a far more challenging assembly of Titanium of 0.6mm thickness that too for air borne application!

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05/27/2010 4:33 AM

Think about to do by overlap pressing instead of welding since your parts requirement is not leak proof.

Also think about riveting. Both will reduce the cost and additional process like deburring, buffing

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05/27/2010 5:48 AM

Most of the kitchen equipments are used for storing food and other items both solid and liquid like gravy / edible oils etc. They are supposed to be leak proof and only few utensils can be other way. The same is the case for riveted joints. They are also not leak proof.

The ideal method of joining is welding . It is leak proof, and also with stands low/medium/high pressures while cooking/steaming.

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05/27/2010 6:56 AM

and even if these lap joints were leak proof, there are sanitary issues with the crevices in the joint,

yes, welding is the ideal method.

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05/27/2010 8:23 AM

Thanks for adding up further details

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05/27/2010 11:06 AM

Seam/stitch are resistance welding and do provide hermetic sealing for automotive fuel tanks.

Of course, each welding process has its unique application and it difficult to be judgmental with out design details and assembly drawing.

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05/27/2010 11:11 AM

It isn't so much an issue of the seam being leakproof, but the issue of crevices which may harbor bacteria, this is for food service after all. Crevices by the way are also a prime spot for corrosion as well.

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05/27/2010 8:56 AM

use Spot welding http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spot_welding

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