How to Convert Diesel Fuel #2 to Automotive Gas Oil

Sorry! We can't help you. This sounds like a fire waiting to happen.

Perhaps your instructor could advise you if this is correct.

Not at all. An associate told me that to convert D#2 to AGO, simply add more kerosene. I asked simply to either confirm that comment/suggestion or dismiss it as nonsense.

This associate of mine, by the way, sells heating oil all over the province of Ontario, Canada.

I have no "instructor".... I am a businesswoman engaged in trading of crude oil and refined products.

Thank you.

Willy B. Concepcion,BSC,BSJ,B.ed

Wilconexx Corporation

CANADA

Excellent answer lynlynch. A GA from me.

I always find it amusing, this idea that home chemistry can out maneuver industrial chemistry and government regulations. This is only partly true with the combination high tariffs and the ease of producing ethanol from food surpluses that makes moonshine a lucrative business. But for me, I'd much rather have this exquisite overtaxed rum than the best a backwoods distiller can make. Don't get me wrong, I've had some above par moonshine that I've thoroughly enjoyed. I just have a fondness for Prusser's and Barbancourt in the summer.

Yes, I have been more than once called sarcastic here. You most certainly were not the first to call me sarcastic. I have yet to fully display my level of sarcasm to you yet.

But when your initial question asks about American Granary Output (AGO) in such a strange way I wonder if you instead mean an Arrogant Grotesque Ogre (AGO). Now while this does not reflect anything but the attitude you've presented here so far, it clearly does not come in a liquid form, although I suspect that it does burn quite well. Now you happen to mention that this somehow revolves around some West African governments. Well I could make some more sophomoric acronyms to fit your CRIMINAL use of acronyms and the tiny amount of information you've provided, like African Gorilla Ovaries, Alienating Green Ostriches, Aromatic Granular Organo-phosphates or even the obvious Angolan Government Oil. But as you've slowly revealed this miracle substance does not exist and cannot be grasped by mere American mortals. We have no concept at all of the tortures and troubles that you must overcome in find this magic elixir.

Well here's a surprise for you, I DO NOT CARE. I have many more things to worry about in my life than your problems. Hell you don't even have enough patience to try to overcome a cultural barrier to allow anybody here to help you.

Good bye

You asked for sarcasm and I gave you sarcasm. You asked for information about the difference between gasoline and #2 diesel fuel, lynlynch and later aurizon gave you an answer. In both cases you got exactly what people here thought that you were asking for. The funny thing is that you attacked me and lynlynch but thanked aurizon. Now lynlynch's and aurizon's reply on the chemistry agree. My agreement with lynlynch had only what you should now recognize as the mild rebuke that the kitchen counter chemistry of blending, will not change the average chain length and thus the flash point of these two hydrocarbon collections. So what is the common factor that lynlynch and I share but which aurizon has that is different, our present residence.

Willy, young lady have just demonstrated some of the ugliest of human traits, bigotry and blind nationalism. This trait and your lack of knowledge of organic chemistry will get you in trouble in your claimed occupation of international fuel trading. Instead of assaulting people who present answers that you do not want to hear and those who may be inadvertently taunting you with what was intended as light humor, you will do better educating yourself more in the chemistry of petrochemicals and accepting the occasional jab.

GA again to bring you back to 0 again!!!

Funny!!!

I had to give you a GA to get you back to 0 again......

I have instructed my accountant to cancel the invoice for my services.

June 6/10

Thank you very much, my fellow Canuck!

Diesel Fuel #2 is so much cheaper than automotive gas oil. I wondered(and wonder) if it makes sense to purchase Russian (mostly) diesel fuel #2, send it to both Nigeria and Ghana and blend it over there. Blenders are all over the world, except in West African countries.

Many thanks, again.

Regards,

Willy

Toronto

No one has thought of this before? Guys İ have known in that business are a very aggressive bunsh and always ready to cut corners to make a buck. İf it works you can feel sure it is being done.

I'm certain that this is done also. Those that successfully do this underhanded sale of counterfeit products have both a sound enough understanding of petro-chemistry and where the fuel will be used. I'm also sure that by doing this, many gasoline burning engines will require some earlier than expected repair.

Redfred,

Petroleum products are sold according to specifications. Petroleum products are almost always blended to meet these specifications (a few products are sold based on distillation range only, but rarely for fuels).

This is not underhanded or counterfeit. In fact, it is the only way to meet legal requirements in most cases.

Not sure about your last sentence. All gasoline is blended to meet requirements. This discussion is only about different grades of diesel fuel.

Lynlynch,

If you don't have an answer to the question (or perhaps don't understand the question), why do you feel compelled to post?

Why make nonsensical and insulting remarks?

Thanks Tad for your enlightening contribution to the subject. We would have all been hopelessly lost without the wisdom imparted by your insightful comments.

Now, did you really help the OP, Tad, my lad?

June 6/10

Thank you for your support.

I was so surprised at the insulting remarks!

But I have always liked the Americans - I went to university in your country and loved every second of it! The Bostonians were so kind to me; as well as to all the other foreign students.

Regards,

Willy

I don't know why some threads go this way. Most people come here to learn and enlighten where they can. Other times the threads degenerate into insults. It just really bothers me when folks that obviously don't understand the question that is being asked (or any of the issues surrounding it) feel compelled to give answers that are non-sensical and/or insulting.

It's also perplexing why some people, with obviously no knowledge of the petroleum industry, feel compelled to act as authorities in this thread.

Looking at the specifications, it does appear that they overlap. That is, certain fuels could be sold as either AGO or #2 diesel (depending on country specific specifications). I am sure that when this is the case, the product is sold for whichever can deliver the highest price.

It would also seem that if VP were the only out-of-spec issue, it may be possible to meet the specification by blending.

But, as Aurizon has pointed out, this is a bit complex, and requires evaluation of the raw material and mixture to be sure you meet the required spec. after blending.

Tad,

Your comment here is precisely why and how things can get out of hand here.

You've not carefully examined at all the full paper that lynlynch provided and cited. In this paper, gasoline and all of the diesel fuel fractions are separated by kerosene. However, you say:

Looking at the specifications, it does appear that they overlap. That is, certain fuels could be sold as either AGO or #2 diesel (depending on country specific specifications).

They do not overlap there is a separate region between the two distillates, kerosenes. But this is not lynlynch's opinion this is a recognized author in the petroleum industry. Now if you think that this is a fabrication then I recommend that you check this Elmhurst University Chemistry 110 web page or the thinkquest page. Here you'll find that two additional sources outside of the opinions expressed on this web page that diesel fuels and petrol are separated by kerosenes. It has only been unsubstantiated and unsupported opinions that by blending kerosene and other unspecified compounds with diesel that it can be converted to gasoline. No amount of hydrocarbons with an average chain length of C13 can be added to a batch with an average length of C16 can be made into an average of length of C8.

When people's opinions outweigh external references, then I in particular treat those fools most foul.

I am not expressing an opinion, I am stating a fact. They are simply two different specifications for diesel fuel, and the specifications overlap, including the distillation temperature ranges.

I think this is the third time that I have told you, this thread has nothing to do with gasoline! Nobody is trying to turn diesel into gasoline.

You are correct, you cannot turn diesel into gasoline by blending. Unfortunately, this has nothing to do with this thread.

Again, it really bothers me when people repeatedly post on a thread when they clearly have no knowledge of the subject. It really bothers me when they don't even understand the thread, and imply that those that do are fools

No, this is the first time anyone here has identified Automotive Gas Oil as anything other than gasoline. I've walked through all of the postings and find myself and others here making this same mistake of confusing gasoline with automotive gas oil. I've only seen several comments by you that we do not know the petro-chemical industry but not why we are in error. In reply, I and others have provided citations that reference our understanding of the situation. This is the first time you've posted anything in this discussion that references an outside source at all. This is precisely a case of talking at cross purposes.

Incorrect in my premise of what the initial thread was about I have been upfront and understandable and yes sarcastic when offended about my understanding of the topic. My most sarcastic comments were specifically about the meaning of AGO and the three possible words they might mean. Not even that brought out a clarification of what AGO actually means. Instead there was only another insulting comment that I did not know what I was talking about. I clearly did know what I was talking about. I did not know what the OP or you were talking about and you refused to explain until now.

This forum is not a forum for just petrochemical engineers. This forum does not even have a subsection for petrochemical engineering. This forum is so that engineers from multiple disciplines can converse. If you cannot accept the idea that you can be misunderstood.....

June 7/10

Hi:

Just going through some of these replies.

Most African countries require automotive gas oil with that specific flashpoint - 66; whereas diesel fuel #2 - well, it is 62. Is that a siginficant difference? I don't think I have had a reply....yet.

The reason for my question(s) was -well, there are two reasons, actually:

1) the scarcity or seeming scarcity of AGO

2) the considerable difference in price

One of the buyers asked me to just deliver D#2 - which, of course, is against the Nigerian Government's dictum. As well, it is dishonest to declare the shipment as AGO when in truth it is D#2.

We did consider blending, but there are no blenders that I know of in Nigeria or anywhere in West Africa.

One cannot do this substitution because there are strict inspections of quality and quantity at port of loading and port of discharge. All these inspection certificates are submitted to buyer and buyer's bank. And all these inspections are conducted by SGS and can be verified and confirmed in any of the SGS offices in Switzerland which is where the head office is, Rotterdam or even New York.

I thought perhaps since this particular site is populated by engineers, I would get some answers. I did, actually...

It amuses me, though - all those negatives! Would I have been ignored if these people knew I am a 70-year old grandmother??? These people would have thought I was suffering from dementia; worse, in an advanced stage of alzheimer's disease!

Thanks - it's been fun!

Regards,

Willy

Well I was happy to give a few crumbs of information.

As to critics, I find it easier to lend some assitance and see how things develop than to carp at people.

I bet some of those critics have bitten their tongues for jumping in with a nasty comment

Well Tad, the thread turns bad,

I hope this dies soon.

1. The title of the thread is: How to Convert Diesel Fuel #2 to Automotive Gas Oil

2. Willy says in the original post, "Is this truly such a significan difference in flashpoints? If so, how do I convert D#2 to AGO?" Well, You can't convert #2 Diesel into AGO by just changing the flash point. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Better yet:

I quote from post # 28, "In simple terms, you cannot really convert one fule to another by simple mixing. You need to crack it and distil it to assorted grades. You can remove some parts by absorption and add other parts to shift the grade but few can do this except refineries.."

3. At no time has blending fuels, a more common practice, been mentioned, until post #6.

4. No more information is included in OP.

5. To me it sounded more like a chemistry student, trying to perform an experiment than a fuel oil trader. Maybe I should have directed her to the commercial section.

No apology for anything I said.

Like I said, this opinion is worth everything Willy paid for it. I'll wave to her, if I see her on the way to the bank.

Finally, If only post #2 had been the first, none of this would have happened.

Sometimes I come across a thread where I'm not that familiar with the subject, but I think that the original poster did not give enough information to get an intelligent answer. Then someone comes along with a post that apparently completely answered the OP's question. So, the OP apparently did provide enough information to get the correct answer from someone who was familiar with the subject. The point being, if you did not understand the brief original post, you probably don't have the knowledge base to give a correct answer, no matter how much additional information is given.

This is what happened here. One more time:

We are talking about 2 grades of automotive diesel, not 2 completely different fuels. If the diesel meets AGO specs, it also meets #2 diesel specs and could be sold as either. Some diesel that was refined to be marketed as #2 diesel also meets AGO specs., but not all. The main difference is that AGO has a higher flashpoint as it is intended for use in warmer climates.

Thus, if you have a #2 diesel that meets all the AGO specs. except flashpoint, you can, in certain circumstances, blend in another material to meet the specs. Voila, you have converted (I agree, possibly not the best term to use) #2 diesel to AGO. Blending fuels to meet different specifications is common practice.

If you have no petrochemical background, the first post probably looked like gibberish. That's OK, if it did, you don't have the knowledge to properly answer. To me, the first post was crystal clear. Post #2 should have made it clearer to more people (and introduces blending), but it still did not stop the sh@tstorm that came down on this poor woman.

I don't know why people feel compelled to answer a post that they don't understand, or have any knowledge of. I really don't understand answering a post you don't understand with insults, sarcasm and accusations.

Peace.

Well Tad,

We're never going to salvage this.

Cheers.

June 7/10

THANK YOU VERY, VERY MUCH!

YOUR THOUGHTFULNESS AND YOUR KINDNESS ARE MOST APPRECIATED!

REGARDS,

WILLY

June 7/10

I believe I have already thanked you for the cyberspace flowers.

I know more than you people think I know.

Implicit in those two questions is a bit of knowledge - not complete knowledge, but knowledge enough to know what questions to ask. Why would I have asked if I knew everything there was to know about diesel fuel#2 and automotive gas oil?

I was, as I have said to someone, surprised at the insults and cutting remarks and questions about women in business, business in West Africa, etc. All OFF-TOPIC!

Whether I know or not is not the point - I received more than 30 replies - some of them completely ignorant and stupid!

If you don't know the answer, why bother?

If someone came to me and asked: "what is the difference between a noun and pronoun?" I would have answered and explained. I would not have been sneering and contemptuous!

I am a retired high school English teacher.....

Thanks, again.

Willy

Hi Willy

Willy was my nickname at School, if that means anything? Yes my tri-linguistically challenged ways. I'll try my best, thanks for not nagging.

Good point though and very, very down to earth. My interest in this comes from a user perspective. If I would find that a certain mix (not distillation) would give me a better yield and better performance at a better price we would be in business. Well, if you could find what (by now we/us) are looking for, let me know.

In my final analysis you would be better off with a scientific partner who can be paid to solve your (by now our) problems. Pay peanuts get monkeys. Ask CR4 and be tested. They (we/us?) are a weird mob and if tempers flare it is due to misrepresentations of all kinds. There is a Y in diplomacy, like in all good things.

Diesel can be a Lady of many tempers, to get it just right requires an application were it works best, the big labs have it all worked out, one would think.

I hope the speed picks up with this because I can still pick daisies from the side of the track. I hope this is leading to somewhere.

"Is this truly such a significan difference in flashpoints?"

(Copied and pasted from original, you must have had a bad spelling day.)

In my opinion any parameters regarding the flash point can be governed . The less there is to govern the more reliable the fuel quality has to be. I am about to overcome this in a demonstration engine and can ask nobody but the specialists with out giving away what I am really after. A bit like you, with all due respect. That paranoid inventor thing, exactly. In your case it looks like a business model that needs a test run.

AGO?

Australian Ground Orchid. You should see them in all their glory. Even they come with impurities. It will be my hobby once it has all settled down. Cyberspace flowers. Got a Y in it! Must be good! Enjoy, Ky.

June 9/10

Hi, "KY":

Sorry for the delay in my reply. Luckily for me, I have better things to do than vilify complete strangers and expose one's ignorance!

Thank you for the orchids. Have lots of them growing up in Filipino land!

The questions arose only because we (my Nigerian partner and me) wondered why AGO was more expensive than diesel fuel#2 when they are both diesel fuels. Well, I found some answers and made some "friends".....

This has been one learning experience. Who would have thought two simple (for engineers) questions would have led into a "tsunami" of criticisms against women, people doing business in West Africa, etc.

I am going through the "threads" again one by one - and when I have replied to those kind and intelligent people (who stayed on-topic) (and the ungracious and unkind ones), I am unsubscribing.

Yes, we did find the automotive gas oil.

Regards and thanks again.

Willy

"I am a retired high school English teacher....."

........and it shows!!!!

Where we used to live the #2 was colored red with furfurit, difficult to remove and used for tax inspections (on the road). First in tanks, later after the fuel filter. Other than that it ran our mercedes and volvo engines well. Paraffin used to bring up problems in winter. (clogged lines and filters) We solved that with 10 % gas. On the road is was very dangerous to use for tax reasons, confiscation of the car and heavy fines. In boats and farming equipment it was allowed to use. Price difference were 1/3. The removal of the colorant was not part of the question. There was also more sulfur involved, but not compromising the life time too much.

Funny how this person went from being a 'business woman' in Canada to interested in oil products in West Africa? What kind of business woman İ wonder? What she talks about doing does happen to fall into the class of 'home chemistry'.

The strange thing is she apparently owns a fuel oil trading company, yet appears to know nothing about the products.

Sounds like they are trying to find a way to turn a cheaper product into a more desirable product, post refinery.

Yes it does. I'm glad my engine will likely not be using any gasoline out of Canada soon.

June 9/10

Sir:

"home chemistry, it ain't! For one thing, when you purchase refined products - you buy by metric tons or by barrels - and these products (and crude oil) are delivered by tankers. There are minimum and maximum quantities. Small tankers cannot or will not negotiate South Atlantic Ocean due to high waves and depth of the water. So, for AGO or diesel fuel#2 or gasoline, minimum may be 30,000 metric tons - there are seven barrels in a metric ton - 42 American gallons per barrel.

For crude oil, which is heavier, minimum is a million barrels per tanker.

There are economies of scale which are considered by both seller and purchaser.

For another, these are expensive products. I doubt seriously that you can afford to purchase a metric ton!

USA is one of the biggest buyers of both Canadian crude oil and Nigerian crude oil; as well, as Venezuelan crude oil which has higher sulphur content.

What kind of a businesswoman? I don't know what the purpose is, of that question.

But I can tell you one thing - a businesswoman who makes money and not nasty and ignorant like you!

By the way, there are as many women in business now as there are men. And we are doing very well, thank you.

W.B. CONCEPCION

Not knowing what the intended ultimate use for this attempted mixture is/was to be.....

From experience- Gasoline in a diesel engine,depending on proportions, has one terrible time keeping the engine running aside from lesser lubricating qualities and diesel fuel #2 in a gasoline engine WILL NOT RUN PROPERLY IF AT ALL ! I have had drivers put diesel fuel in gasoline fueled vehicles and had to have them towed in and remove the mixture from the fuel system. Also had gasoline put into diesel fuel vehicles and the driver backed the vehicle into a brick wall with the accelerator pedal to the floor trying to keep it running and, yes, he damaged the wall and the vehicle! This is not rocket science just common sense. It is unfortunate that some observations are misunderstood in spite of trying to help people. I always manage to learn something from the posts and will not become discouraged because someone sees the point from another perspective. Thanks.

h

Hi, where do you come from? No offense, but we are talking about diesel, mazout, derv and probably called many other names. Gasoline is Gas in the US, Naphte, Benzin, e.g. in Europe. Nice to tell us how it works. Thanks

I worked for one of the major oil companys for over 17 years , in the USA. Never heard of automotive gas oil. That will hopefully explain my lack of knowledge on the subject. And here I thought I knew something, but see what thinking can sometimes do ! Have a good day .

h

http://www.energyinstpubs.org.uk/pdfs/586.pdf

more here

http://www.google.ca/#hl=en&source=hp&q=%22automotive+gas+oil%22&aq=f&aqi=g2&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=&fp=bee518f3336b3a98

for your info: thanks TECHNICAL SPECIFICATIONS AUTOMOTIVE GAS OIL Property Units Specs Test Method Visual Appearance Clear + Bright Cetan Number Min 49 ASTM D 613 Acid Number, Strong Mg KOH/g Max NIL ASTM D 974 Total Mg KOH/g Max 0.25 Ash % W Max 0.01 ASTM D 482 Carbon Residue, Ramsbottom on 10% Residue %W Max 0.02 ASTM D 524 Cloud Point Deg.C Max 60 ASTM D 2500 Colour, ASTM Max 2.50 ASTM D 1500 Corrosion, Copper Strip 3h @ 100°C Max No.1 ASTM D 130 Distillation 50% Deg.C Max 290 Distillation 90% recovered Deg.C Max 366 ASTM D 86 Distillation 95% Deg.C Max 385 Flash Point, PMcc Deg.C Max 66 ASTM D 93 Pour Point Deg.F Max 50 ASTM D 97 Density @ 15°C Min 0.82 Max 0.86 ASTM D 1298 Sediment %W Max 0.01 ASTM D 473 Sulphur %W Max 0.25 ASTM D 2622 Viscosity, Kinematic @ 40°C CST Min 2 Max 4.5 ASTM D 445 Water %V Max 0.05 ASTM D 95 Odour Merchantable Conductivity @ 20°C Ps/m Min 75 Max 350 D2624 CFPP °C Max 0°C IP309

Thanks for the info also . A little bit of overkill, but thanks anyway.

Even though the OP managed to get hurt feelings for asking about doing something that is not legal - Tad to the rescue with no idea except some shiny armour and a white horse - The whole thing is home chemistry if one does not understand what they are doing and should not be done.

You are right. I have no idea. I am just a chemist with 20 years petrochemical experience.

I have no legal background either, but I am pretty sure that selling a product that meets specifications for AGO as "AGO" is legal. I'm pretty sure that all AGO sold is a blend of various compounds, and is not pure distillate from a single fraction.

It may be that your legal and technical background are far beyond mine.

Let me repeat the question, as we seem to have wandered from the original question which was, "how do I convert D#2 to AGO?"

The OP changes the question from conversion (redistillation) to one of blending in post #6.

I think I'll go now. Have fun.

I again agree on all points.

In simple terms, you cannot really convert one fule to another by simple mixing. You need to crack it and distil it to assorted grades. You can remove some parts by absorption and add other parts to shift the grade but few can do this except refineries..

Sure, you can add kerosine, but it will not run well in a gas engine. Since it lacks volatiles so the spark will not propogate very well = smoking and gasping.

The price at the refinery door is a function of the yield of gasoline,

#1 and #2 diesel come from their crude, so does gasoline and kerosine and dozens more. They can engage in "catalytic cracking", which is the process of breaking the chains of the longer alkanes and the rings of the cyclic compounds. This produces more of the lighter fuels and less bunker C. The cost of the cat cracking is more than offset by the higher prices of the resultant gasoline and #1 diesel. It also make a few lighter volatiles, which also sell for more. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cracking_%28chemistry%29 Refineries are large capital intensive operations, so they are not placed in risky places. Some oil exporting African countries import their gasoline from elsewhere. Transport is a cost inhibitor in shipping various materials for blending, and it is better to sell a finished final product for an application instead of making blending stock for others. So most refineries have tank farms and blend for their own purposes. Once fuels enter the markets they become prey to the insatiable hunger of the state govenments - taxes. That is why gasoline is so costly in Europe, and varies from state to state in the USA/Canada. One thing to look at is the CBOT lists. The CBOT = Chicago Board of Trade. Prices might be only available during market hours http://www.cmegroup.com/trading/energy/

June 6/10

Thank you.

Nigeria imports gasoline from New York. In a few years, this will not be so, as China just signed an agreement with Nigeria to build three crude oil refineries - US$35 billion dollars!

I appreciate your help.

Are you in Toronto?

Regards,

Willy

Yes, I am in Toronto, Ontario, Canada.

As for refineries in Nigeria, they may find the rebels find they can cause a lot of damage a lot more easily than they can a pipeline.

In addition, what is the expected life of Nigeria's resrves with three refineries draining them?

Sounds like a recipe for Chinese military intervention.

June 7/10

Hello:

The rebels with a cause do indeed are a problem. But you look at the whole Nigerian system of government and you want to weep! I weep, too, for ours, but at least we are free to comment negatively!

The Chinese are taking over most African countries with crude oil, gas, diamonds, gold, etc. I have told my Nigerian friends that very soon, they will be eating with chopsticks and talking in Mandarin, Cantonese, etc.

Most Nigerians don't care because the Chinese bring in much-needed jobs and all these Chinese-manufactured goodies.

I am not entirely sure of Nigerian crude oil reserves, but it is considerable...mostly they are doing deep-sea exploration. What they have also is natural gas which they used to just burn off. This has changed now.

Are you a petroleum engineer?

I am rather close to the Metro Convention Centre, so I can see the madness going on in our fair city - the cost of which ($1.1 billion dollars) is shocking to most Canadians.

Have a good week....

Regards,

Willy

Regards,

Willy

No, A retired chemical engineer, but this is all basic stuff that we took in second year, (1960) fractionating columns, trips to the Clarkson refinery, etc.

That is why it is so competitive, it is a mature science.

The minutia of the specs have been brought out by others.

The OP is talking about 2 slightly different specifications for automotive diesel. The distillation temperature range is quite similar for the two specifications. The flash point temperature is a bit different in the two specs.

It would seem that blending could work to meet this spec., under specific conditions (after the blend, the product meets the spec.)

Am I wrong?

Several posts (including yours) have talked about the effect in gas engines. We are talking about diesel fuels. Why is there talk about gasoline engines?

I am not a chemical engineer but, If you take #2 fuel oil and mix it 50/50 with filtered used motor oil it burns really good.. Saves a lot of money disposes of a hazardous waste item, the engine runs cooler, quieter and has a little more get up and go. Of course this only works on engine that do not have an optical fuel sensor. Works great in tractors and farming equipment and I get people calling me all of the time to come and get it from them for freee.. Have to make sure that your filtering brings the particle sizes in the oil below one micron.. Hope that this helps.. Good Luck..

wchjpt@g3telecom.net,

Something else comes to mind. The flashpoint of #2 diesel is low due to the presence of more volatile substances. If you simply aerate the #2, you should be able to reduce the volatiles and increase the flashpoint.

I have no idea if this is commercially feasible, as it would require significant environmental controls and would cause a loss of product. I thought I would toss it out.

I ran a diesel tractor on #2 home heating fuel as well as straight kerosine with no problems. So #2 used in internal combustion deisel engines I havent seen any problems with. The big problem you may run into with a newer diesel is sensors that are use to normal automotive diesel reading differently with a different fuel type. Kerosine also runs hotter and can overheat engine components if run too rich I have been told. Kerosine is mixed with diesel in colder climates to prevent gell'ing mainly.

Also to note: There are strict regulations in the U.S regarding OFF THE ROAD FUEL vs Pump Automotive Fuel. I guess you can be fined by using your home heating oil exclusively as fuel for your vehicles. The ticket stub I get when my home gets topped off states this regulation in NH.