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Could an Underwater Earthquake Cause an Oil Spill?

06/17/2010 5:25 PM

With all of the talk about the oil spill, it occurred to me that if an underwater earthquake were to happen, and the fault line was near or below one of these vast oil reservoirs, it seems like the possibility would exist for a "natural" catastrophe to happen that would dwarf the current spill, all of the oil would surface very quickly with no advance warning. Thoughts?

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06/17/2010 5:34 PM

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Could an earthquake cause an oil spill?

06/17/2010 5:40 PM

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06/17/2010 8:21 PM

Thanks for your input guys. I was hoping perhaps a geologist was lurking in our midst. Maybe something a little more specific, i.e. any known hot spots where this could occur, if so, how likely is this to happen and when, if it does how to deal with it, etc.......If I knew a yes would come so easily, I would have asked if I was handsome.

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06/17/2010 8:58 PM

Those clowns!!!!!!

Tell me, would it really matter if the oil were spewing from the ocean floor or a mountain top?

I think you posed a legitimate question, and, after I get that beer outa the fridge, I'm gonna look into this.

Wouldn't it be a real mess if a volcano, caused by an earthquake, blows through an oil field on it's way up to the surface. Talk about a blow torch!!!

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06/17/2010 9:50 PM

It might be a cool movie.

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06/17/2010 11:50 PM

Yes, it would matter. We always seem to assume that the people above us are smarter than us, but that is rarely the case. Beer is a very important ingredient, I've posted these type of questions on Facebook, and I have no friends left. Quite frankly, I am shocked that BP, or for that matter any other oil company has no plan for this. We all assume that the people that run everything are looking out for our best interests, I think not.

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06/19/2010 12:34 AM

Lack of planning or safety equipment is the foremost cause for most planning and safety equipment...

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06/17/2010 10:09 PM

In principle, yes. However, many/most oil deposits exist under salt domes, which are long-term stable formations not normally located near fault zones. (So I have read somewhere, without being sure.)

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06/18/2010 2:22 AM

Ok, I be abit more serious...
Earthquakes tend to happen in fault zones, so it would be very likely that previous quakes millenia ago would have released any pressure and associated oil.
There, that was more thoughtful, but no more well informed.<tee hee>
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06/18/2010 8:28 AM

Hmmm......at the risk of backing a cat into a corner, if oil is a "fossil" fuel, there probably wouldn't have been much of it around millenia ago, and if it is a "fossil" fuel, how do you suppose it got so concentrated in these particular pockets? Just offering up some cat food for thought.

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06/18/2010 8:58 AM

Either you don't undersand the word millenia or you have no concept of geological timescales, or possibly both.
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06/18/2010 11:11 AM

Your right. Didn't mean to anger you. Apparently there is no cohesive answer to my original post that is based in fact, so I will drop it. I thought it was an interesting point to ponder, and was curious as to whether there was any empirical evidence indicating that this condition exists on the planet that anyone is aware of. Don't be mad, I have always been of the mind frame that there is no such thing as a stupid question. I stand corrected on my last post.

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06/18/2010 12:34 PM

...no prob, I just a softy old puddy tad really.
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06/18/2010 12:58 PM

We're good, I like you. Until I come up with a plug in breathalyser for my computer that won't let me on line after a certain amount of beer, I will probably continue with posts that contain traces of nut, or ignorance, or both ;-)

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06/19/2010 1:42 AM

In all likelihood, the hot spots for quake triggered oil formation leaks were released a few million years ago... Murphy has been around for all time.

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06/19/2010 9:33 AM

I heard that the oil rig explosion that caused this big oil leak in the first place was fired upon by a North Korean Submarine. No Joke, I heard this yesterday.

Any comments on that?

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06/19/2010 10:49 AM

That was on the wire 8 hours after the incident...

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06/19/2010 11:41 AM

Thank you. I missed that and didn't hear about it until it was mentioned yesterday.

I'll do some back tracking on that report.

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06/19/2010 5:14 PM

Yes. A prediction? I doubt anyone here nor beyond is such a seer.

Occurred to me also as a possibility and not one with 'rocks' can only perceive that it would take a horrendous plate tectonic shift for that to happen. Probably additional volcano eruptions would also be invoked. In any event, nothing to address or to do.

Some say that there are indicators of things to come, like with animals. My cat has been acting whacky lately, an old wise one of now about 18 years. (DEL?)

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07/01/2010 12:45 AM

My 14 year old cat has been as quiet as ever here in North Houston, but yours might be closer to the action.

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06/19/2010 5:55 PM

Good point to contemplate. I think that any "tears" in the earth at the depths of the BP/Rig Deepwater Horizon drilling would immediately seal themselves with a zillion tons of good old mud from the floor of the seabed. Remember they have a steel pipe within a steel casing to get the oil out and prevent the hole from collasping on itself. Also, the oil is not setting there in some sort of cavern waiting for the pipe to appear and suck it all up. It is contained in formations of soil and rock. Some formations are more porous than others which would be a "loose" formation versus a "tight" formation. Some of the formations are so tight that the oil does not flow very freely and the formation has to be fractured by hydraulics, it has been said that the USSR used low yield nukes to fracture formations, to allow the oil to flow. Israel is developing a field like that in the Sinai. Some of the loose formations, particularly the early "gushers" were difficult to drill due to the formation caving in and blocking the drilling string. Thus the development and use of "drilling mud" (google spindletop oil well for more).

The oil that you see spewing out in the 24 hour per day horror show of the BP spill is under tremendous pressure from 5000 feet of water and about 10,000 feet of mud, soil and rock. Visualize your body being squeezed by a Boa Constrictor and the air being pushed from your lungs and that is roughly what you have in the spill in the Gulf of Mexico (does it really belong to Mexico and if so how much rent does the US pay for using it?).

BP has used the excuse of the depth that they are working at as being the reason that they haven't been able to stop the flow. I am sure that plays a part but their comedy of errors in attempts have left them looking like dummies. Trying to saw the pipe in two with the whole string of collasped pipe still in place was doomed to failure before the little robot took the dive. Any logger with a chainsaw could have predicted that the cutting blades would have gotten pinched. They should have used the shears first at the closest place to the BOP to relieve the strain on the pipe. Then send the saw down to make a smooth cut below the sheared/pinched off section. Another good question is why not do the shearing and cutting below the BOP and then attach cables to the BOP and winch it up and away from the now flush cut end so that a valve could be put in place? I could go own and own as we all can. Bottom line is that due to lack of planning BP has fumbled with the repairs and the situation has now become a political issue in addition to an engineering issue. I just hope that they get it plugged soon as the beaches there are/were absolutely gorgeous.

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06/20/2010 12:22 PM

Hello Kramarat:

Interesting topic. I subscribe to the abiotic theory of the origins of so called "fossil" fuels as apposed to the top down theory of pressure cooking old swamps and dinosaur remains. The abiotic theory is based on the formation of the earth ~4.5 Billion years ago and the accretion of material to create the earth. There is a tremendous amount of organic chemistry in outer space and in the gas nebula that are the seeds for planet and star formation. Our sun and solar system were created from such gases according to most scientific postulations. This accreted material; rocks, ice, and hydrocarbons eventually formed the earth. The hydrocarbons were deposited in layers ranging from 30 to 300 km below the earth due to differing weights. As a result there remains a tremendous amount of hydrocarbons yet to be discovered by well drilling exploration. It is mostly found at very deep depths. So the argument for finding oil stems from a top down fossil origin or the bottom up astronomical origins. The fact that I subscribe to the bottom up theory does not mean that there are no "fossil fuels" but I believe the real fossil fuels are a very small amount of the total planet oils and gases that are found. Thomas Gold has supported the bottom up theory with calculations based on just the shear volumes of oils found today.

Gold believes the earth is constantly degassing methane from these vast depths. Oil can also therefore be found in areas never dreamed to hold reservoirs. To prove such a theory a couple of deep wells were drilled in the Siljan Ring area of Sweden. This is a solid granitic formation that was smacked very hard by an ancient comet, enough to crack the upper lithosphere. The results proved an abiotic source of oil that cannot be explained by traditional western oil theories.

The abiotic origins of oil are important to your question. We know of old underwater slides that have released methane hydrates ( Storegga slide). The cause of the original slide is believed to be an earthquake. It is also likely that old earthquakes have created other massive releases of hydrate from the oceans and may be instrumental in prior extinction events.

Gases can be expelled from a bottom up theory violently as in a volcano. But oil is slow as it wends its way to the surface through leading gas created fractures. The gases will expel to the atmosphere or ocean floor and then the oil will follow such fractures. And there can be an initial lose of pressure that can cause a collapse of the material under the ocean or even on land. So the earthquake can in part be attributed to the oil from within and not only by plate tectonics. Has an earthquake already occurred in such a manner. That is one of the theories now being touted as a cause of the New Madrid, Missouri on December 16, 1811.

It is not my intention to harp on the apposing theories of oil origins but, if the earth is upwelling oil then it stands to reason that a natural disaster of oil release is likely to have occurred and will do so again. There are oil and gas seeps off most continental shelves and that are very susceptible to earthquakes. These same deep sources seeps are likely a part of the Venezuela and Canada oil sands. I would answer a firm yes to your question.

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07/06/2010 7:51 PM

Hey kevinm, Thanks for your post, very interesting, the thinking that all oil comes from decaying plant and animal matter, has always been troubling to me. I will have to do some further reading on the abiotic theory. The point I was hoping to make here, is that I think it is plausible for a natural event to cause this kind of leak. You have provided some very good food for thought. Thanks again.

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07/06/2010 9:12 PM

Some books make a personal impact and stick with you. I have a background in water resource engineering technology and physical geography. I ran my own water technology company and have a keen interest in ground water microbiology and geochemistry. "The Deep Hot Biosphere" makes such an impact and made me turn my head to say "wow". Gold's book is a good place to start if you are interested. It is an easy read.

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06/20/2010 11:27 PM

Anything can happen at any time!

But why pulling an earthquake? Here is a vulcano! Does this help with the bad dreams?

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/04/100425151143.htm

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06/21/2010 12:13 PM

Yes. A relatively small earth quake can cause suboceanic oil reserves to be released. It happens in California all the time. Oil balls come washing up after small earthquakes, and sometimes they test them to verify they are from the local sources. Actually, I was reading about releases of asphaltene components from subsurface fractures off Santa Barbara that form what they are calling asphalt volcanoes. The new fracturing of rock that allows this to happen is caused by earthquakes. Thus even natural oil reserves are released fairly routinely in areas where their are earthquakes and large oil reserves in the subsurface. the hope is that the governemnt held the oil companies to a higher design standard to provide the pumping infraastructure to resist the earth movements to a very low probability of failure, hopefully less than 1% for sure, and require redundant shut down systems in case a less than 1% event occurs.

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06/21/2010 4:22 PM

Thanks for your replies: Interesting stuff. Part of the reason that I posted my original question was just curiosity. I assumed the answer would be a yes and that maybe some details would be posted, which they were. The second reason for my post, was to gather some valid information to counter the inevitable cries, that mankind is destroying the planet, none of this would happen if greedy oil companies weren't drilling offshore, etc., etc. ad nauseum. Which, it did, thanks again.

The reason I wasn't more specific in my original post is because I didn't want it to turn int an instant argument about whether or not we should be drilling off shore. In a way it's good that we are. If it were illegal everywhere, and a natural occurrence were to happen i.e earthquake, that released a lot of oil, there would be no skimmers, centrifuges, barriers, etc. to do anything about it until it reached shore.

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