CR4 Censorship

I don't think "prescreening" of every post is necessary on CR4, maybe just of the "Guest" posts. A lot of those are just dross, and do attract a "negative" response from many people, even on occasion myself.

Your quite right about learning, this site is one of the few where there are so many disciplines to choose from.

We don't need the mods to be draconian, just a little "firm".

It just needs someone to 'report' a post to get it looked at.
It depends on wether the person who looks at it is a hypersensitive dog botherer or not .
Ya gotta remember one man's meat is another man's fish as they say in France.(That's a multicultural pun. Other multicultural puns are available from KrisDel^TM ).
I reported a reply a while back... the post seemed trivial as it reference two types of gum, but to me the guy who wrote it was sincere and under pressure and deserved consideration rather than abuse.
Call me a soft hearted gullible fool if you dare like.
I feel on balance we have to take the rough with the smooth, although I do feel that cat's should probably be exempt from such mundane matters.
Del

Hi Del, I suppose you're right. I made the mistake of allowing the son of one of my friends to be my facebook friend.....mistake! Anyway, nothing but but cussing and all kinds of nastiness, not directed at me, but just across the board, it would make lynch blush. One of my posts got yanked yesterday and I know cwarners feelings were hurt, I just had to ask the question. When I see what's out there, CR4 is extremely tame at it's worst. Nor was I badmouthing admin. This thread was an attempt to build a consensus. Should there be an, "everything non engineering section" in which people can discuss anything? Maybe so. Discussions drift from the OP all of the time. The internet is bringing everyone closer every day. From what I'm reading on here, it seems almost impossible to talk freely about science and engineering, without politics coming into play at some point. Hopefully I'm not incurring the wrath of the moderators, but I think this is a discussion that should be had. I'd like to hear opinions and I wouldn't be surprised if admin was interested in any feedback that is generated.

The situation is dynamic as the new administration is continuing to find their collective footing.

Currently they seem overly sensative by committee (whereas in the past the administration consisted of one or two persons).

I got banned by the old administration and since then post as "guest".

Took it personal at first before realizing that what CR4 administration does or doesn't do doesn't matter (big picture viewpoint).

You may have deserved it, I don't know. There are smart people here that obviously think about things beyond engineering. If I was to want to discuss politics or whatever, I would prefer to do it here, with smart people that I am already acquainted with and who's viewpoints I respect. I suspect that conversations here, about anything, would, for the most part, be civil and would not devolve into mayhem.

As I told you previously, the situation is dynamic.

Since Roger Pink went away, things improved some. But you are setting your expectation much too high.

The new admin team seems to err on the side of caution (at the present time).

But the situation is very inconsistant (as a result of admin by committee).

Your post gets taken down or edited by the luck of the draw (who is on watch at the particular time that abuse is reported).

Under the old system, there was one responsible guy.

Keep in mind that the parent company calls the shots in these matters. Their goal is to push product, not to make you feel good.

I'm sorry you are so bitter. I think you are in the minority. I see CR4 as a place to exchange thoughts and information across a fairly broad spectrum, 90% of posts are very informative and occasionally entertaining. I have seen no evidence on here of product pushing by the owners of this site. Perhaps you will manage to make the point that a certain degree of censorship is indeed, necessary. On the other hand, I can ignore you, which I would prefer, as opposed to you not being able to say your piece, even as a guest. I don't expect to made to feel good either. This is just another thread created to hear the opinions of other members on this matter. Nor am I expecting any particular action to be taken, it's just another conversation.

I have no piece to say; it is you who initiated this conversation.

You need to get a life (beyond CR4).

I promise to remain quite if you promise to ignore me. PLEASE ignore me, I'm begging you!

Consider it done. I'm going to read about free energy from magnets!

You promise to remain quite what, bombastic?

I suggest that it is you, dear guest, who has been deemed persona non grata by this site, are the one who is in need of a life.

Case in point. I just read this thread for the first time.http://cr4.globalspec.com/blogentry/13446#comment603043. Far more entertaining than anything I could find on television. It seems as though everyone emerged relatively unscathed. I do have to wonder what was said in the deleted posts though.

Oh, that one. Coming to think of it , it was quiet stupid of me to even react. It's a spur of the moment thing and I am not proud of showing others were the button is to get me going.

A dish with no salt at all is tasteless and with too much salt is not edible. Dosing ones responses is a skill to be learned. I'm on the case.

Welcome to Guru ship. You'll find out soon that it means nothing more than..............??

Good to be here in any case, Ky.

Yeah, I've got to settle myself down, too. I didn't realize I was a guru until I read your post,yippeee.

You are quite correct in your questioning some of the people on this site. I must admit that I have several times used OPs threads to try to push my political beliefs and opinions. Have made it a point since then to try and not go there anymore. (thanks to those of you who POLITELY put me in my place. You know who you are)

Maybe a new site called something like CR5 Politics, religion and engineering mixed together is in order.

Hey Farmatt,

I don't know if it's that simple. For example, if a thread or a blog goes into scientific theory, whether it's the big bang or evolution, is it right to automatically ban opposing views as inappropriate because they may be of a religious nature, or just downright whacky?

Then there are blogs like this that sound innocent enough, but are purely political, http://cr4.globalspec.com/blogentry/13418/The-Right-to-Repair-Your-Car or on the fence on net neutrality. Do I personally think they should be pulled? Absolutely not.

I'm just being the devil's advocate here, (no religious meaning intended)

is it right to automatically ban opposing views as inappropriate because they may be of a religious nature, or just downright whacky?
I know this wasn't addressed to me , but it is certainly right to ban any religious views because you can never argue logically against religion or simple belief or faith. It's impossible to prove or dissprove and thus has no place on an engineeing/scientific site. To paraphrase Bart Simpson, you may just as well say 'A Wizzard did it'.
Believe me I know, I've tried to have a rational debate.
If you even take a simple factual discussion on say the legitimacy of the current translations of the Bible, you soon find that some people don't actually want to know when and where the various source texts were written and how many times they have been translated. They just want to believe it is the 'word of God' verbatim, which is patent nonsense.
That sort of blind ignoring of established fact just becomes a frustrating waste of effort.
Now some fundamentalist may well choose to object to what I've just written and get it pulled...
Del (A Wizzard Squirrel made me write it)

http://cr4.globalspec.com/blogentry/13185/Should-the-U-S-Have-More-Engineers-in-Congress, here's another, no chance of this going political. Maybe your right del. Maybe anything that is theoretical should be banned, as it can only be argued and not proven.

A theory is at least generally based on proven facts assembled into a coherent idea which has the possibility of being proven or dissproven as postulated by Karl Popper's concept of 'falsifiability'... a theory must ultimately be testable.
That's the vital difference between religious faith and a scientific theory.
Del

I know you're right Del. It's a little embarrassing, but I should probably explain how I get off on these sideways rants, I'll keep it brief. It's usually around the weekend. The wife and I hit the front porch to enjoy a few adult beverages. After we completely solve all of the problems with the real world, the wife, being the smarter of the two of us, heads off to bed. That's when I, armed only with a cocktail and a half a brain, decide single handedly to conquer the digital domain, typically landing on CR4, that's when things get muddy. I wake up the next morning, and not being able to find a delete button for my post, swing into damage control mode and try to make my OP sound rational. I try to be good, but sometimes I slip. Hope this clears things up a little. Of course, as usual, I may also have a point.

On the subject of 'testability' and religion.
There was a guy in our town last week did find a way to test his religious beliefs.
Del

Well if you're going to say that, I'm sure you know that at least a brief explanation would be nice. Inquiring minds want to know.

Hi Kramarat,

Your thread has been repressed, but not outright Banned

never made it to the daily digest, so repressed

I feel like I can speak about moderation, having been beat down by both the old & new moderators

there are some noticeable holes in the system

the bloggers who work for Global Spec & CR$ don't follow the rules the rest of us do, when it comes to starting political [& some would say religious] threads. moderation claims not to have any jurisdiction

I have asked very direct specific questions to the moderation team about what exactly is acceptable.

The replies are always just to read the FAQ's

& leave if I don't like it, none of my business...

I don't find those types of answers to be very professional

we are the show, the entertainment, the content

GS just needs the forum to round out the package, that question in the bottom right corner of the newsletters

but hey moderators have to justify their existence somehow

Hi Garthh, I am a big advocate of free speech and I am aware that within this forum my opinion does not matter. However, I will say, that if a thread is appropriately labeled within the "General Discussion" section, I think it should be left alone, regardless of the subject. If someone wants to talk about gun laws, religion or whatever, who cares? If a political or religious thread, within, "General Discussion" isn't properly announced in the title, it gets pulled. IMHO, taking this approach and giving members an outlet to talk about other things would also go a long way towards eliminating these types of posts within other threads, where they truly don't belong.

Sounds good,

Unfortunately OBO [our benovelant overlords] have repeatedly shot down the formation of a political science section

I had started this discussion a couple of years ago, the new "team" shut it down this year

http://cr4.globalspec.com/thread/14144/Can-We-Design-A-Better-Government

the closing of the thread, happened to show me who is in charge

Feel free to drop by the Pub should you feel the need to vent

SHUT UP!

Excellent Ky - excellent'est so far (for me) of your work and aptly posted

Yeah, thanks.

One day I looked at it and thought the teeth were not meant to be. Here is the final version. After the fight and the teeth missing.

so to say.

I kinda liked the 'jarring' of rectilinear in organic - sort of said 'remnants' and 'perpetual idiot' - fitted well in the 'original context of the post'. But no - overall - I don't miss them.

But hey, am I seeing by the richer colours some progress on translation to pixels?

Somehow, she seems sadder in the second version. Still pleasant to look at, but sadder.

I do have a life outside of CR4. I get to go to social gatherings and listen to people talk about the weather. I get to listen to people tell me who's getting divorced and why. I get to listen to people tell me that so and so may be having an affair......blah..blah...blah..I will have the audacity to bring up how incredibly easy it is to do a rebuild on a Honda small engine and I get voted off the freaking island because I'm,"off topic", maybe I should change my name to "offtopic". My life is a bore for the most part, I go to work, I come home, I have a couple of beers, I eat dinner, I go to sleep.......repeat. What the hell are the people at CR4 afraid of? If I had the luxury of having some like minded friends over every night to sit around and shoot the breeze, I wouldn't be here. Oh, and I probably would be getting a divorce, also.

Yeah, but, just tell us about the engine rebuild...we too are bored rigid with listening to bull about people we don't want to know about.
I find my cure for boredom is makin' bows. (I'm gettin too old for the other thing)
Del

Glad you asked. The entire rebuild, for a 13 hp engine. New pistons, rings, gaskets, valves and seals.........drum roll please............$60 US She runs like a champ too! Unfortunately, when I venture off into the real world, people look at me like I'm insane when I tell this story. The wife is no help either, she just rolls her eyes as I continue to mumble about the little engine that could. Oh well.

PS I would like to see some pics of your bows. I am also a sculptur of wood.

Here's a link to my website.
In the 'other stuff' section there are a couple of wooden sculptures I did.
I tried to show the Art meets Industry thing in this thread.
Post some of your stuff (and a pic of that engine _{with your wife sneering in the background}), I think art and engineering are inextricably linked.
Del

PS. Ky, on this thread is an artist too

That's a dobberinnerer of the first degree. I'll have to turn the eggnishner down now see if it helps.

Hi Del, I checked out your site, very cool. Here's some of my stuff.

Cheeers, your stuff looks very tactile. What woods do you use, or is it just anything you can get your hands on
Del

Any type of wood, but not any piece of wood. I get a certain "feeling" when a chunk of wood is meant to be worked on. If that makes any sense. I've got a small pile in the basement, waiting for future projects.

PS I'm feeling particularly dumb about my whiny rants. I've done some backtracking on CR4, these are all things that have been intensively covered by prior and current members here. I will change nothing. All we can do is carry on.

I get a certain "feeling" when a chunk of wood is meant to be worked on.
I know what you mean, sometimes there is a bow in a stave, but you have to let it out, other times you just know there isn't really a bow in there.
Yew is particularly nice to work with but you have to go with the flow of heart and sapwood to allow them to work togeter to be the best bow they can be, if the heart/sap boundary twists and bends you have to go with it.
Del

Oh goody another Hidey hole

where one can wax poetic blather on about art

but what does the little engine that could, power?

I wrote an ode to my oft repaired laptop here

I would say the pinacle of art is when technique & design intersect

A 1989 Simpson 3000 pressure washer.

When I was making Biodiesel we added one of these to a similar washer

http://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools/product_200377863_200377863

after we melted the 1st gun from the heat, the cleaning power was amazing

it smelled so nice running on Bio we had made from used corn chip frying oil