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Do Electromagnet Frequencies Exhibit Characteristics of a Magnet?

07/30/2010 10:49 AM

Do electromagnetic frequencies exhibit characteristics of a magnet in the since of attracting other frequencies?

What I mean is does one frequency attract another in the way that the north pole of a magnet attracts the south pole of another magnet?

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07/30/2010 1:01 PM

Whether a given electromagnetic frequency attracts or repels another of its kind depends largely on the polarity of the aether through which both ends (the originating end and the propogating or "traveling end") happen to be in.

If both happen to have origins in opposite aether polarities and their popogating ends also happen to be in two opposite aether polarities as they come close enough, they will "bend" toward one another across astonishing distances. When they meet, the crests of one waveform will become snagged in the troughs of the other - much like a badly made zipper being forced closed. In fact this RF "zipping" noise is the static you hear when you tune between stations on an AM radio. Look up the Fiktisshus Radiative Emission Law for more info.

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07/30/2010 1:25 PM

Googling Fiktisshus Radiative Emission Law gave me no results. Might you have a link?

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07/30/2010 2:31 PM

Despite 'Guests' laughable attempt to pull your leg, the direct answer to your question is 'No.'

However, there is a phenomenon that is one of the principles by which a laser works (the S.E. part of L.A.S.E.R.) called 'stimulated emission' in which one photon will trigger the release of a second photon so that both photons have the same wavelength and propagate coherently. Here's a Wiki link:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stimulated_emission

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07/30/2010 3:29 PM

Try saying Fiktisshus out loud.

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07/30/2010 1:58 PM

I know I'm stealing another CR4 users favorite exclamation, but I actually

Splarfed!

coffee through my nose when I read this one. Thank you for the best belly laugh of the day!

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07/30/2010 3:26 PM

Coffee?, you got lucky, I was sippin on a Slurpee!

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07/30/2010 5:54 PM

Well There isn't a smiley for getting slapped.....

I guess i just wasn't as quick witted as i needed to be today.

Good Laugh.

It just seems like there would be specific frequencies or materials that would attract frequencies... some thing like maybe material that 900MHz would be inherently drawn to, not just transmitted or received by but actually drawn to.

I realize that this may seem far fetched but it just seems to me that the world works that way.

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07/31/2010 1:19 AM

Hi Gary

You will need a good sense of humor around here, well done. I was just going to put my foot (in mouth) in and then saw your reply. Good on Ya's.

I do seem to understand what you are trying to get at but I am not really sure. You are leading your question 'in a way' which reminds me of energy for nothing guys (we adore them here) but then again you could be an honest truth searching, seeking individual.

Usually, when a person wants to go into detail about something, he/she wants to know about details and then be able to make some use of this information. In your case possibly an application to do with magnets. If you could tell me what that use is supposed to be or do, I think all of us would get the drift of your inquiry a bit better.

Maybe it is just me? Ky.

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07/31/2010 8:58 AM

My apologies, garyboyce. I was having a little Friday afternoon fun with you. And it could have just as easily been someone else - nothing personal. You were a good sport about it and I admire that.

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07/30/2010 11:34 PM

You are confusing electromagnetic fields with electromagnetic frequency spectrum. An antenna exhibits a capacity to emit a particular portion of the electromagnetic spectrum.

A magnet (electro or natural) exhibits a field, with a north and south pole.

If you come too clse to an electro-magnet, it might erase your magnetic media.

If you come to close to an energized antenna, you will pay the price (RF burns to death).

Good Luck in the contest from a 60+ year old radio operator

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07/31/2010 6:25 AM

An interesting situation to ponder? I do not know the answer but can only give you my thoughts on it. The electromagnetic field is stationary and any disturbances travel as a wave, and just like a radio or sound wave it is the average at any individual point will determine the positive or negative value (north or south) at any given moment, and as pointed out the receiving of information, eg: light or radio etc; only the wave frequency will be available depending on the tuner? Influences from other waves are then filtered out?

Regards JD.

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07/31/2010 10:34 AM

When I attended my first EM Theory class, I wasn't surprised that about 1/4 of the students didn't pass. EM theory is a complex and difficult topic to master and you should expect a long (and steep) learning curve.

This is only a starting point...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromagnetic_wave

EM waves can be affected by the materials they propagate through. The material properties (permittivity and permeability) relative to free-space define the type of interaction. In general, conductors (metals) usually reflect while insulators (dielectrics) can absorb, reflect, and refract.

Bending light (EM waves) with a magnetic or electric field is fairly well answered here...

http://van.physics.illinois.edu/qa/listing.php?id=2009

(Summary if link fails)

Bending light with
magnetic field = no
electric field = no
gravitational field = yes

Hope that helps a little. Good Luck!

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07/31/2010 12:53 PM

Two separate frequencies from two separate EM waves do NOT have poles like a magnet. They will combine vectorially to form a more complex wave (similar to executing an inverse Fourier Transform). Here is an explanation from WikiPedia:

The physics of electromagnetic radiation is electrodynamics. Electromagnetism is the physical phenomenon associated with the theory of electrodynamics. Electric and magnetic fields obey the properties of superposition so that a field due to any particular particle or time-varying electric or magnetic field will contribute to the fields present in the same space due to other causes: as they are vector fields, all magnetic and electric field vectors add together according to vector addition. For instance, a travelling EM wave incident on an atomic structure induces oscillation in the atoms of that structure, thereby causing them to emit their own EM waves, emissions which alter the impinging wave through interference. These properties cause various phenomena including refraction and diffraction.

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08/01/2010 9:45 PM

Sorry for my delay.

Some really great explanations. This was just a question of curiosity. I am definitely not one of those 'over unity' guys. I'm pretty sure that is an oxymoron.

I work with an ISP that uses wireless to distribute internet services to rural areas, and not understanding the difference between electromagnetic frequencies and magnetism was a little confusing.

Not that I really needed to know the difference to do my job, but nice to know anyway.

Thanks for the good laugh and great answers.

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