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Project Battle

09/18/2010 2:08 PM

I am working on a project in which I need to control the up and down movement of a linear actuator. I have done hundreds of hours of research and there is nothing on the market that I can use. So I am attempting to build a controller. I need it to start by being activated by a switch of some kind, then cycle down, pause for say 2 or so seconfds then have the power switched so that the unit will go up and stop at a certain point and then automatically have the power turned off to the unit. The is a stationary project for a disabled veteran. I have a 24vdc power supply and need to use it for the application. I am confused as to what type of timers, capacitors, diodes, relays etc. to use in order to build something that is simple and will get the job done. Please if anyone has any ideas it would be greatly appreciated. Please only indivduals interested i9n helping please reply. I am in the prototyping phase at this time. Thank you all very much.

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09/22/2010 10:59 PM

I think this can be done with one Teco SG2-12HR-D programmable relay (US$ 99) with a NO pushbutton to initiate the cycle. The relay is approx 3" x 3.6" x 2.5"

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09/23/2010 11:07 AM

Note: When you come (eventually ) to testing and using this thing, the Linak site states that the LA-30 is rated for a duty cycle of "Max. 10 % or 6 min/hour at continuous use".

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Re: Project Battle

10/02/2010 4:54 PM

HI Dear friend it is very easy ,just mail me what u did & what u want to make .give me required load and speed i will design and mail u immediate............ with worm regards amit rathod, my e-mail : maruinj@indiatimes.com

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10/03/2010 3:53 AM

"HI Dear friend it is very easy ,just mail me what u did & what u want to make .give me required load and speed i will design and mail u immediate"

he wont do that cos wot he is trying to make is a secret ( to us anyway)

Also he is not very good at research is he, thousands of hours and got nowhere?

not sure of what he is qualified at but it sure as hell aint any thing to do with electrics or electronics or even a basic understanding of either

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10/03/2010 3:55 AM

Sorry should read

HI Dear friend it is very easy ,just mail me what u did & what u want to make .give me required load and speed i will design and mail u immediate"

he wont do that cos wot he is trying to make is a secret ( to us anyway)

Also he is not very good at research is he, hundreds of hours and got nowhere?

not sure of what he is qualified at but it sure as hell aint any thing to do with electrics or electronics or even a basic understanding of either

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10/03/2010 10:37 AM

The actuator will move a plate to start the downward cycle. Using the max power available and at it's fastest speed under load. Then when it completes it downward extension it will then pause and then somehow have the power reversed so that the actuator will then be able to retracted at it's fastest speed with out any load until it reaches it's fully closed position. I would like to begin the entire cycle by only pushing one switch, or to have some kind of switch that is activated by a door being closed.Then once the entire cycle has finished the power will then be cut off. All the links that have been sent I have already printed out and reviewed. But my problem is that they rely on switches be them toggle, or limit must be physically pushed. I would like to use rely and a timing unit if at all possible to achieve the desired outcome and not have to rely on manual switches or any kind of limit switches. I have a timer unit that gives my my desire pause and I also have a DPDT 24vdc relay and at the present time I can start the downward cycle but I am having problems when get to the pause and then reversing of the power. I am no pro at electronics and am learning as I go. Once I thank you all for you helpful suggestions and hope to get more in an effort to finish up this project. Call me out of my league or even stupid, but all I am asking for is a little help and understanding. Thanks again.

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10/03/2010 10:45 AM

Ok good description one last question how much presure has the actuator to excert, lift or push

1lb 10 lbs etc if i was you when you answer add say 10/20% to be on the safe side

so as not to load acutator too much and give it a good working capacity

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10/03/2010 11:19 AM

for my benefit so i dont have to keep searching

http://www.linak.com/corporate/pdf/ENGLISH/DATA%20SHEET/Linear%20Actuator_LA22_Data%20Sheet_Eng.pdf

with the speed of 28 mm a/second

The entire unit, of the actuator, and circuit board need to fit into a enclosure of 4 inches by 3 inches.

The force of the unit is measure at 400n. ( Whats that in old money ?)

The actuator will not fit within the 4x3 area that is where I am hoping to putting the controller unit. The complete measurements will be 4x3x14. Yes the actuator needes the full 24vdc for a complete cycle of up and down

http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=DPDT+24vdc&amp;amp;sourceid=ie7&rls=com.microsoft:en-gb:IE-SearchBox&ie=&oe=&rlz=1I7GGLT_en&redir_esc=&ei=ipyoTI6BItS5jAfz09HvDA

http://www.farnell.com/datasheets/40309.pdf

the specs for this relay state resivitive load, any one know what the inductive load may be on the acutator ?

you will also need inductive quenching circuit to avoid damage to electronics, and reduce EMC problems. On fork lift trucks they do this by using Diodes across the wires forming a short for EMF but this will not work on DC so poss use a transient suppresor

SPECIFICATIONS

15A (2C), 10A (4C) COMPACT

POWER RELAYS WITH

HIGH SENSITIVITY

SP RELAYS

22

.866

50 a

1.969

mm inch

a

2C 25.6 1.008

4C 36.8 1.449

FEATURES

• High Vibration/Shock Resistance

Vibration resistance: 18 G, amplitude 3 mm (10 to 55 Hz)

Shock resistance: 40 G (11 ms)

• Latching types available

• High Sensitivity in Small Size 150 mW pick-up, 300 mW

nominal operating power

• Wide Switching Range

From 1 mA to 15 A (2C) and 10 A (4C)

Contacts

Coil (polarized) at 20

°C 68°F

Characteristics (at 25

°C 77°F 50% Relative humidity)

#1 This value can change due to the switching frequency, environmental conditions,

and desired reliability level, therefore it is recommended to check this with the

actual load.

Remarks

* Specifications will vary with foreign standards certification ratings.

*1 Measurement at same location as "Initial breakdown voltage" section

*2 Detection current: 10 mA

*3 Excluding contact bounce time

*4 Half-wave pulse of sine wave: 11ms; detection time: 10μs

*5 Half-wave pulse of sine wave: 6ms

*6 Detection time: 10μs

*7 Refer to 6. Conditions for operation, transport and storage mentioned in

AMBIENT ENVIRONMENT (p. 19, Relay Technical Information).

Arrangement 2 Form C, 4 Form C

Initial contact resistance, max.

(By voltage drop 6 V DC 1 A) 30 mΩ

Initial contact pressure 2C: Approx. 0.392 N (40 g 1.41 oz )

4C: Approx. 0.196 N (20 g 0.71 oz )

Contact material

Stationary contact:

Au flashed AgSnO2 type

Movable contact: AgSnO2 type

Rating

(resistive

load)

Nominal switching capacity

2C: 15 A 250 V AC

10 A 30 V DC

4C: 10 A 250 V AC

10 A 30 V DC

Max. switching power 2C: 3,750 VA, 300 W

4C: 2,500 VA, 300 W

Max. switching voltage 2C, 4C: 250 V AC, 30 V DC

Max. switching current 2C: 15 A (AC) 10 A (DC), 4C: 10 A

Min. switching capacity#1 100 mA, 5 V DC

Expected

life (min.

operations)

Mechanical (at 180 cpm) 5 × 107

Electrical

(at 20 cpm)

(resistive

load)

2C

15 A 250 V AC 105

10 A 30 V DC 105

4C

10 A 250 V AC 105

10 A 30 V DC 105

Single side stable Nominal operating power 300 mW

Latching

Minimum set and reset power 150 mW

Nominal set and reset power 300 mW

Max. operating speed (at rated load) 20 cpm

Initial insulation resistance*1 1,000 MΩ at 500 V DC

Initial

breakdown

voltage*2

Between open contacts 1,500 Vrms

Between contact sets 3,000 Vrms

Between contact and coil 3,000 Vrms

Operate time*3(at nominal voltage) Max. 30 ms (Approx. 25 ms)

Release time(without diode)*3

(at nominal voltage) Max. 20 ms (Approx. 15 ms)

Temperature rise

(at nominal voltage)

Max. 40°C with nominal coil voltage

and at nominal switching capacity

Shock resistance

Functional*4 Min. 392 m/s2 {40 G}

Destructive*5 Min. 980 m/s2 {100 G}

Vibration resistance

Functional*6 176.4 m/s2 {18 G}, 10 to 55 Hz at

double amplitude of 3 mm

Destructive 176.4 m/s2 {18 G}, 10 to 55 Hz at

double amplitude of 3 mm

Conditions for operation,

transport and storage*7

(Not freezing and condensing

at low temperature)

Ambient temp. –50°C to +60°C

–58°F to +140°F

Humidity 5 to 85% R.H.

Unit weight 2C: 50 g 1.76 oz ; 4C: 65 g 2.29 oz

TYPICAL

APPLICATIONS

NC machines, remote

control panels,

sophisticated business

equipment.

remote controlled locks may use the timer required

http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=remote+controlled+lock&sourceid=ie7&rls=com.microsoft:en-gb:IE-SearchBox&ie=&oe=&rlz=1I7GGLT_en&redir_esc=&ei=_p-oTI_hIsK5jAeW6cy_DA

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#113
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Re: Project Battle

10/03/2010 1:43 PM

http://www.a1electric.com/catalog.htm

http://www.a1electric.com/catalog/cat_key.htm

take a look at this one

http://www.a1electric.com/cable_locks.htm

By the way dont forget to answer the load required by the servo question in one of my other links.

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#111
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Re: Project Battle

10/03/2010 12:39 PM

you can add a couple of timers for the up & down stroke & get close on positioning

the circuit will be the same as one with limit switches, the accuracy being determined by the actuator & resolution [smallest usable increment] of the timers

there can be problems with using timers, when the actuator gets to the end of the stroke, before the timer times out & you have a locked rotor situation, blowing a fuse or tripping a breaker.

creative placement of limit or proximity switches, can overcome any limitation of these kinds of setups

it all depends on how much accuracy is required

which is yet another specification that has been omitted

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#114
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Re: Project Battle

10/03/2010 4:34 PM

Accuracy is not that important, I am more or less going to let the unit just go thru its own motions if you will.

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10/03/2010 4:49 PM

and the reply to my question about load ??

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Re: Project Battle

10/03/2010 5:09 PM

problem is budget wise limit switches are going to be much cheaper

search for 24vdc time delays & the cheapest I see are $17 bucks & require an external resistor. You're gonna be hard pressed to beat limit switches, which can be mounted on the linkage or actuator

you can do something else with strictly rotary motion & a bell crank arrangement

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