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Selection of MCCBs for Jet Fuel Hydrant Starters

11/03/2010 12:47 PM

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We have had a consistent problem of our MCCBs burning the contacts on a very frequent basis at our JKIA depot in Kenya.Our motors are rated at 110KW drawing an average of 90Amps when running but depending on the load demand,it could go to as much as 190A.They are 6 motors programmed to operate in a sequence as per demand.Each pump gives a flowrate of 200M3/h.The MCCBs are rated between 250A and 320A of Siemens and ABB type.The power suppy veries between 400V to 440V depending on time of day.There are also intermittent trips that occur on the MCCBs whose cause we have not established.However, all the burn outs and trips occur only at start up.We have ruled out possibities of loose connections.What is really surprising is that the MCCBs rate of failure is so high yet the contactors which operate so many times in a day dont get affected.

Any one who has had this kind of experience and who solved it or if you have a clue to what could be happening could share with us the solution.

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Re: selection of MCCBs for jet fuel hydrant starters

11/03/2010 1:02 PM

"There are also intermittent trips that occur on the MCCBs whose cause we have not established."

Hellllooooo?

Start with the obvious my friend. MCCBs are not contactors, they are only designed to open under load in emergencies and be capable of resetting ONCE. It is assumed that the cause of the trip is going to be corrected. Multiple trips essentially exceeds the design duty of the device.

If you have eliminated all possible causes of short circuits and you are confident that the MCCBs are not tripping on thermal current, then the most likely remaining possibility is that you have the instantaneous magnetic trips set too low for the application. Some newer energy efficient motors can draw upwards of 20X FLC in initial energization when the windings are establishing the magnetic field. This only lasts a cycle or two, but it is sometimes high enough for long enough to cause the magnetic trips on MCCBs to activate. Were you in the US, our code now allows the instantaneous trips to be adjusted as high as 17X FLC if it is proven that an application will nuisance trip without that high of a setting. I cannot speak for Nigerian codes however,

You may need to replace those MCCBs now either way.

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Re: selection of MCCBs for jet fuel hydrant starters

11/05/2010 10:18 AM

Hi hi,

Thanks for your suggestion.We have eliminated all possible causes of short circuit currents in our system.we have replaced the MCCBs with motor rated fuses of 350A and they are holding now for two consecutive days without fusing.We are also studying the settings of the MCCB s and we shall revert on our findings by next week.

It also worthwhile to note that we have a similar system at Moi international airport in Mombasa Kenya but runs on auto transformer starters unlike the star delta starting method employed at JKIA, Nairobi that is giving us problems.

Certainly VFDs/VSDs are the solution as opposed to cycling the pumps and we shall be budgeting for it in our next years financial budget. But in the meantime,we need to keep going.

I covet your comments and more suggestions,

Murwa

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11/05/2010 2:55 PM

Ahhhh... Star Delta starters. You failed to mention that the first time. Star-Delta starting is horrible for everything in the system, with the exception of the pocketbook of whomever pays the initial cost. When a S-D starter transitions from Star to Delta, there is a high likelihood of an EXTREME current spike that takes place, theoretically as much as 20X the FLA rating of the motor involved. Nuisance tripping and damage to MCCBs is a very very common problem with S-D starting, one that often goes unreported and/or blamed on the utility power quality because people are uninformed as to the downside issues and why they occur.

I for one NEVER allow or recommend S-D starting as an option on any project I am involved in. It offers NO TANGIBLE BENEFIT other than a lowered initial capital outlay which benefits only the installation contractor, not the end user who bears the long-term ownership costs.

If the fuses work for you now, it may be OK because you have found a fuse curve that allows the transient to pass. But in the long run, I would jettison those S-D starters and either go with solid state soft starters or VFDs as soon as you can. You may also be able to somewhat mitigate the effects by playing with the transition timer a bit, and also "rolling" the conductors to move the phase shift during the S-D transition to where it interacts differently with the natural X/R of the motor windings

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Re: Selection of MCCBs for Jet Fuel Hydrant Starters

11/03/2010 2:18 PM

After checking out JRaef's suggestions first (they seem the most likely), you might want to look at how frequently the pumps are starting/stopping. I would think about installing some VFDs, modulating the speed to match the demand rather than cycling the pumps frequently.

In addition to the 400-440v fluctuation, can you tell if there are large voltage spikes and dips?

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Re: Selection of MCCBs for Jet Fuel Hydrant Starters

11/04/2010 5:19 AM

MCCBs? Eh?

The only installations seen here use motor-rated fuses. Now there's a hint!

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11/04/2010 9:09 AM

LOL, over on this side of the pond and especially here in the wild wild west, the distance to the nearest supply house is sometimes greater than the distance across your entire country. We tend to use circuit breakers if we can and fuses only when a circuit breaker won't do the job...

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