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Transformers???

12/24/2010 1:00 PM

In transformers the flux produced in the primary winding gets induced in the secondary and supplied on the other side............. But why not the flux produced in the secondary due to the flow of current caused by primary flux does not oppose the primary flux like Eb in motors.???

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12/24/2010 4:52 PM

Short answer, it does.

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12/25/2010 5:38 PM

Short, sweet, and correct.

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12/24/2010 5:01 PM

There is no directional nature to a transformer. The designation of primary and secondary is an arbitrary designation set by where the power source resides. This capability is used in many communication circuits used today. The most common use of this is the parasitic communication done over the power lines. For those who prefer a non-Wikipedia link there's this 1988 patent paper.

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12/24/2010 6:51 PM

How far should one go in tempering the wind to the shorn lamb? This question is part of a suite of like questions over the last two years, with not much increase in sophistication during the whole time.

Of course, even the primary student must start somewhere, but shouldn't a little progress be expected?

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12/24/2010 7:02 PM

I do agree but I was reminded by somebody at work that with a searchable database somebody new might start at any of the threads for an answer. But it would be nice to see some progress.

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12/26/2010 1:40 PM

Mr Tornado, GA and in words ....the like of which I haven't seen in ages. Thank you for all the intelligent answers. I have been able to glean insight from.....your previous postings. Seasons Greetings, Ray

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12/25/2010 12:28 AM

Transformer secondary load change reflects in change is primary winding current is easy way to know that secondary causes effect on primary.

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12/25/2010 6:42 AM

sir you were saying that like back emf here also something that oppose the primary flux then what is that?

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12/25/2010 7:03 AM

Varying current generating varying magnetic field is the cause of induced emf. It can be in any coil and primary secondary is only name given for convenience. No current means no induced emf. That is why without load on secondary there is no current loss in primary other than leakage.

When current flows through secondary through load it generates its own induced emf in primary in opposite direction which draws current greater current from primary as primary voltage source can deliver that current.

Even in simple inductance, back emf can be seen from stored energy,

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12/25/2010 5:41 PM

Your answer is good. It shouldn't be "off topic"

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12/25/2010 11:29 AM

The flux or magnetic filed in the secondary does affect and induce currents in the primary. This can change the input impedance of the primary as set by the load in the secondary. ron

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12/25/2010 11:35 PM

Change impedance of primary??? NO. Load resistor at secondary can not alter inductance of primary. It can not change resistance of primary and it can not change coupling capacitance also. There is induced energy source from secondary current to primary which is responsible for change in current in primary and perhaps you can call it a virtual impedance change but not a real one.

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12/26/2010 7:41 AM

I think you want to says that all impedances in transformer driven loads get connected in parallel to form a total load on primary power sourcing coil. That sounds reasonable.

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12/25/2010 12:55 PM

It does, which is why the impedance seen at the primary depends on the impedance in the secondary circuit (the ratio is the square of the turns ratio - because the current steps down and voltage steps up or vice versa). For example, a 2:1 step down transformer with 10 ohms in the secondary circuit would appear as 40 ohms in the primary circuit.

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12/25/2010 3:25 PM

It does! Both impose on each other, that is if you lower current in secondary that lower current in primary and if you increase current consumption in secondary that would increase current in primary, therefore not loaded secondary minimizes current in primary.

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12/26/2010 1:41 PM

it does. AC current inducess a counter electromotive force.

if it was DC amps = voltage over resistance. 120 volts, divided by 60 ohms equals 2 amps. if not for CEM force, it would equal 60 amps. a 1/4 horse hp moter, like a washing machine does not need a 60 amp feed. look at your moter and see what the voltage is, use a multi meter when there is no power and see what you get. if not for CEM force. numbet twelve wire would be to small. look at the size of the wire to the motor. double the voltage, half the amps and you get the same watts.

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12/28/2010 8:50 AM

lenz's law says it does.... Remember the formula N1/N2=V1/V2=I2/I1?

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01/14/2011 6:21 AM

Transformer is a typical application of electromagnetic induction. A change in flux brings about change in current and vice versa. Since the transformer is a magnetically coupled device any change in magnetic flux in its primary will bring about corresponding change on the seconadry current & flux and likewise from secondary to primary. Therefore, it should and it does. How much is a matter of analytical calculation. What makes you think it doesn't?

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