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VFD Questions

12/26/2010 11:33 PM

Cheers everyone,

Current Mech-E student trying doing some research in preparation for up coming senior project. My current proposal is to design and build a human powered motor that will utilize Electro-active polymers (shaped as fins) to propel a submerged vehicle. Being a mechanical concentration with only a basic circuits lab to fall back on and some texts books i was hoping to get some advice from all of you about variable frequency drives and if they would be useful for such a project? My plan is to construct a power train like that of a bicycle connected to a 3-phase alternator with its output rectified to charge an array of batteries and then inverted back to AC to run a frequency changer and the fins. The reason for my interest in VFD is that while researching frequency changers these motors were mentioned as a more efficient means to an end. However, I can't find any information about whether I can actually control the frequency of the signal to control the fin oscillations? Any h lp would be greatly appreciated.

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12/27/2010 3:06 AM

Rube Goldberg might be impressed, but I think this scheme slices/dices/unslices/undices energy too many times to be efficient.

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12/27/2010 8:42 AM

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12/27/2010 9:23 AM

Is there a new scheme for Mech-E?? Make them electrical engineers first [like Mr Royce of Rolls-Royce] and they will do a good job with the Mech-stuff!! By the time you get your "Emmett" scheme working, you will be Elec-E - but do you have the time!! My limited knowledge of "electro-active" materials suggests they change shape when you apply a DC voltage. My limited knowledge of penguins and whales suggests they do not flap their "wings" like humming birds - so for water I guess switching a battery polarity at hand control rates would be OK for "proof of concept". Since you have written nothing about the voltages, currents and frequencies needed to drive the fins, one can do little to help. VFD drives are designed to drive metal windings on magnetic materials - is there any similarity with your "electric muscle"??

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12/27/2010 10:49 AM

Absolutely agree, hysteresis alone would render these fins useless, they can't respond to fast current changes.

Too many energy conversions (with a loss at each stage) will kill the design as well.

I can't provide any advice on this.

I would ask the O.P. if he can switch to a "body driven" stepper motor, with its windings connected to another stepper motor, and have the later move a conventional propeller?

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12/27/2010 5:00 PM

In the old days when I was in college, as a dual Physics Major / EE I got a job grading Mech E tests from a surface physics course for EE's taught by a Mech E Prof. The Mech E department was heavy into semiconductors????? Good money for a student - no questions asked. I see nothing much has changed in 35 years.

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12/27/2010 11:34 AM

Hey Mr. ME student!

Do your own homework first. If your initial desired direction is to have the human generate electricity with an alternator, I think you must first solve the mechanical power equations. Determine how much mechanical power your fins can create, how much electrical power it takes to do that, then investigate how much power a human can generate with an alternator, then solve for losses through all components in the system. You may discover you have some serious issues to overcome long before you get to the point where a power controller, and its additional associated losses, is ready to be added into the equation.

But from an electrical engineering standpoint, I think what you need is a simple square-wave generator, an old technology no longer used in VFDs. Modern VFDs are not optimized to control AC induction machines, and I don't believe electro-active polymers will constitute an inductive load. Some cheap UPS systems still use square-wave outputs, albeit not variable. You might be able to modify one of those or find an EE student friend to do a joint venture with you and make your own.

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01/02/2011 7:11 PM

Wouldn't a 21-speed derailler gear system be more efficient?

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