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Hydrotest & Pneumatic Test

01/07/2011 11:42 PM

As 31.3 mentions, hydrotest pressure is 1.5 times of design. But from where we have arrived to 1.5 only? Whether this 1.5 has come from fundamentals of yield strength etc? Similarly why only 1.1 times in case of pneumatic test? Thanx in adv for reply.

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01/08/2011 1:00 AM

I doubt that any analytical or theoretical principle could ever "prove" this. Rather, the 1.5 multiplier is reasonable, because it is significantly higher than the design pressure, without encroaching into the yield strength of the material. Maybe the "ideal" multiplier could be √2, or the golden ratio φ, or whatever.

One could do some sort of statistical study to compare false positives with false negatives, perhaps arriving at an empirical "best fit"; but that wouldn't be an analytical proof, either.

The purposes and conditions of hydrostatic and pneumatic tests are somewhat different. Hydro is primarily a strength test; pneumo is more of a leak test. The respective multipliers (1.5 vs 1.1) serve these purposes decently. Moreover, a pneumatic test is riskier in the event of failure, which further justifies the lower multiplier.

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01/09/2011 9:24 AM

Absolutely correct GA

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01/09/2011 9:37 AM

Excellent!

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09/25/2024 9:20 AM

It also justifies doing the hydro test to the higher multiplier BEFORE carrying out the pneumatic test at the lower one.

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01/09/2011 4:06 PM

actually one being a leak test and the other a strength test is false, a 1.5 hydro test is equivalent to a 1.1 pneumatic test, they are the same test.

the reason is simple if we say that the leak point is 1.5 for a fitting under hydro, then the leak point is 1.1 under pneumatic because air finds the path at lower pressure than the water which has a higher viscosity.

Both water and air are fluids, this is basic fluid dynamics 101.

Some of the posters here simply read wiki pages and misinterpret what they read, or the pages are incorrect (as they are written by anyone who chooses to write on them and regulated by people who are not engineers)

the test variances are viscosity based, EG: oil will have a far higher test requirement than water as the viscosity is higher and so on, various gases of a lessor density than air will have a lower test requirement as they will find the path of least resistance/leak under less pressure.

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01/09/2011 4:24 PM

Where in hell did you get those ideas?

(I'll stand corrected if you provide valid references.)

Oil is sometime used as the hydro test medium, as when trace moisture would be undesirable in a vessel or piping. The required pressure isn't changed.

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01/15/2011 6:07 AM

Dear Mr Life is adventure,

"Some of the posters here simply read wiki pages and misinterpret what they read, or the pages are incorrect (as they are written by anyone who chooses to write on them and regulated by people who are not engineers)"

I feel, in this forum your above statement is highly objectionable, particularly after the only post from Tornado followed by two appreciations, which is an excellent answer for the question. After going through the first para of your post many engineers can judge that your above statement applies perfectly to yourself.

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01/15/2011 6:54 AM

Although "Life Is an Enerventure" has contributed some meritorious answers, for the most part he is a recognizable nutcase, who seems to read stuff from whatever random and unidentified source, and just regurgitates it. (As anyone can see from cruising his posts.)

I was surprised by your description of both hydro and pneumo tests being equal at 1.43 x design pressure. Do you know why 1.43 rather than some other number?

Many years ago, the Crane Valve Company published a hardbound orange catalog that was a virtual Bible of piping, valve, air compression, steam, and heat exchanger information. Those guys had an underground bunker in which they destructively tested vessels and piping/valve assemblies. They also had a fancy layout floor for bending large pipe formations.

In the PC and FEA world of today, I suspect that some historical value is being lost.

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01/15/2011 8:20 AM

"I suspect that some historical value is being lost"

Funny thing, I have having a similar conversation right now on the quality of cold rolled steel being manufactured today. The quality peaked about (10 or 15) years ago and stabilized, until all of the consolidation that has taken place in the last (5) years or so. Anomalies, inclusions, and indications that were absent are coming back. Most of us around the business agree that the historical knowledge has been replaced by theory. In most cases, noone was hired to replace the retired or furloughed old staff.

I posted a pic in an earlier discussion of just one of the indications found in a new and better way to do something.

You are right on.

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01/16/2011 11:28 PM

I have studied many standards and codes about hydraulic and pneumatic test pessure. Mostly I found 1.5 and 1.1 times the design pressure respectively. Only in Europian standard this value is mentioned. I also got surprised. May kindlly refer BS EN 13480-5 in support of it.

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01/16/2011 11:36 PM

Unless it is on line, I don't have that standard available to me. Can you quote it?

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01/14/2011 2:04 AM

Pressure test is conducted as an adequete proof to satisfactory perform at designe pressure. 50% higher than the design pressure is considered to be adequete. But the same logic is not applied for pneumatic test, because in case of failure it is dangerous due to possibility of reclining effect and air comming out at higher velocity.

However, if you refer BS EN 13480-5, test pressure is same both for hydraulic as well as pneumatic test. That is 1.43 times the design pressure OR

1.25 * design pressure * ratio of nominal stress at test temp. & design temp.

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01/14/2011 7:42 AM

In reference to the extra safety precautions needed in Pneumatic Tests, I often see Compressors and/or their casings tested in a water filled tank that is shielded during pressure ramp-up.

After dwell time, VT is than conducted.

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