Contract Manufacturing

Something tells me you are not an engineer?

I know few who are doing it. First count resources ($ terms), begin with trading, and land into cotract mfg. second, same first step, contact a trader who is doing bussiness with china goods, sell your idea. All the best. When you are successful google search "kesirajus" to get me..

Hi Mate ,

Your guessing is far from the truth.

I got a doctorate in Electronics back in 1973.A bit outdated perhaps but still a valid one to have a few words when you want to deal with international business .Sure I am not sitting in front of a megger or voltmeter or anything like that anymore.

Believe me there are many ways to be an engineer .

And doing international contracting and systems is one of those ,more appealing than sitting at desk all day long.

Cheers

Giuliano

I dont know well your meaning. but as you refer to China. I think I could speak a little.

first of all , if you are lazy and hope to get more successful at business, one of the best way is bribe some of local officers who can give you many advantage conditions and assist you how to escape tax and so on...(newpaper words)

second, you can advertise on tv, newpapers to puff your golden good idea to convince audiences he can make money very much from it.(3.15 reveal)

third, take advantage of power in hand force factory to implement the idea.

haha, its a joke. dont take serious

if you have a good idea, you should show your plan and design blueprint to manufactuerer and give a good instruction out.

Here in Israel the government used to help people start developing good ideas, but it was only until 2003, and not anymore. I don't know why.

creation idea!

Well, there are several ways to go about this, let me tell you how I did it!:

I have been dealing directly with China for over a year, but I can tell you that the first six months were quite an "eye-Opener".!!

Can you say, I was buying from a Trader, who was buying from a Trader, who was Buying either from another trader, who was buying a Knockoff version of the good product I was wanting, and charging me WAY TOO MUCH for it, and on top of that, the product was VERY POOR Quality.

The worse thing about it was, there wasn't anything I could possibly do About it..

Contact the last trader, and they make all kinds of excuses, like the freight company made the quality Bad.. Uh Huh..

So, Long story shorter, these last 6 months have been SO much better..

I actually hired two Chinese nationals, one near Shanghai, and the other down in Shenzhen, mainland, but very near to Taiwan, and Hong Kong!

Now, I only deal direct with factories, and no matter that they don't speak English, My two Chinese people do, and they also Verify factories either by word of mouth, or by direct Visit!

Just a few tips to help you..

If you need any more help sourcing, or finding the "Quality" company please feel free to contact me.

Don Campbell

1Millionvolts:

Apply for a patent locally with international patenting rights. Patent in China simultaneously as soon as you receive those rights. Use an international patent expert (preferably a patent lawyer). When you have a Chinese patent, your gizmo will receive less copycat interest there.

Take your invention with a confidentiality/non-bypass agreement to a local manufacturer in your home country first to get an idea of what it will cost to manufacture here. This will give you a base line from which to gauge the Chinese manufacturing costs.

Join and publish your invention on http://www.made-in-china.com . Very quickly, reliable Chinese manufacturers who think they might be able to serve you will contact you.

Marketing in China can be puzzling or difficult to the western mind. There are two mandatory cultural criteria to be considered by potential manufacturers in any business deal:

1. Will this make me richer? The pocket-lining criteria.

2. Will I gain prestige from manufacturing this? The face-enhancing criteria.

When dealing with manufacturing representatives from China, make every attempt to never deal with anybody who is not legally able to make deals for the factory. This is often no one lower than the factory owner. You can even speak to somebody who is able to get you the proper contact with reliable representation. This is usually somebody with more influence than a manufacturer's representative...real political clout is good, i.e. from a highly placed politician. Your own country's consulate in China or Chinese consulate at home will help you find these people.

Good luck!

Mark

Timely question...I had lunch with the US Minister-Counselor Commercial Affairs for China Monday at the Asia Pacific Business Outlook conference held at USC in Los Angeles. Beautiful campus, great faculty, and more US DOC commercial service types than you could field on a ball diamond... Also attended session withhim and the current head of the AmCham (American Chamber of Commerce in China). He is a lawyer located in china - his is a very prestigious US law firm with presence there.

IPR (Intellectual Property Rights) are still a huge problematic issue in China. Your US Patent and the China patents are unlikley to offer you any meaningful protection unless you are there in country and get local officials to take action. This was an oft repeated theme among the business people in the audience at thatsession as well.

So feel free to follow the advice given to provide your brainstorm to the industrious hard working "manufacturers to the world" in China. Think of it as your contribution to the world of socialism- seed ideas by which they can capitalize on your largesse.

The advice about having your own in country staffers on the payroll has been most successful model for my associates in contract manufacturing. But they also have the capability to coproduce when the product inevitably arrives for the first 2 or 6 shipments defective and 50% unusable.

Great way to dissipate an inheritance.

milo

Hi ,

I have some indications about it but need more details before I can say anything on your request.

Giuliano

I have traveled in the Orient for many years. I have a patented product that is being made in Taiwan. Reasons: better quality, they speak English (in most cases). I trust then more but you still have to be carefyl. Last they are slow to respond and it takes several tries to get it right even with CAD prints and then a prototype. I have a friend in Shanghai who is married to a Chinese woman. He tells me "don't worry about the Chinese loosing face, they have many of them. Be careful.

Wisdom here. Very good advice. Consistent with my experience over last 4 years.

milo

Let me first assume that you are in the states. I would first find a marketing guy to look at the sales feasibility of your product. If you are only going to sell 100 mousetraps per year, then it is not to logical to think "off shore", but if your "mousetrap" is going to sell 1,000,000 per year, then off shore manufacturing begins to make sense.

Alot depends on what you are selling. Judging from your screen name, if what you are making is power transformers for power substations, the transportation costs could be a killer... from China to here. We used to say that you knew you were successful when you could finally afford to have your product manufactured off shore. Oh! Have your marketing guy sign a non-disclosure contract.

Assuming that this is currently just an idea in your head, you need to first engineer it, build prototypes, turn it into a product, develop manufacturing, and then market it. Other than marketing and sales, this is what I do. Also I do not do perpetual motion machines.

Bill

I would seek council with a patent attorney. Likely he will suggest you register your idea then, as quickly as possible, manufacture your product and develop a marketing technique which by then you can say, legitimately"PATENT PENDING". The key is to make it, market it, get it out there. A patent is (particularly re:china) an opportunnity to have your idea stolen. Even in this country, it is very common to find a patented item (or procedure) then vary it ever so slightly...just enough so it isn't "legally" the same. Then there is no valid infringement case. Beleive me, there are experts at knowing exactly how much variation is required to do this. It is , in most cases, damned little. China is notorious for having very little regard for intellectual rights or international patent laws. Make your product locally, distribute it as directly as possible and always keep your intellect ahead of your ego. Good Luck !

indeed, in china, intellectual property rights is not perfect at present, but you think which country , especial in developping countries, is perfect to it? even in western, there are some companies to be pirates. and make a false report of tax etc. some of them are famous companies in the world. its a social problem. the question is how shall we deal with it seriously. I agree to the answwer, how do you cash in? how to implement? you can ask a petent lawer for help. regist at patent buearu at first and find a factory to produce and then marketing under help of salesman etc.it s import. any thing has risk. But you can see lots of western companies set up their research and produce base in china now. If all of them are not made money, why would they do so? of cause you have to calculate cost of produce and transport. I hope all to know, anywhere and any time there will be kind man and of cause there will be a little bed men.

"there are some companies to be pirates. and make a false report of tax etc. some of them are famous companies in the world"

Thanks for reminding me....

A little more advice re getting your product patent-protected. Once you have secured international patenting rights, file for a patent in Germany as well.

Many people in here will be familiar with the little problem re patent piracy in that country. Filing there will slow that process slightly while a fairly large research lab tries to change something to a left-handed screw so they can patent some silly improvement to potentially cash in on your idea.

Mark

May be you could try one of those involved with supply chain and get them doing the engineering :I have a name but I do not know if they are in your field or not.

Thanx yall for your comments and suggestions.

Of course it doesn't have to be done in China if there are other better / cheaper options. I just mentioned China because it's widely considered as a cheap manufacturing country.

I'm not based in the US and contract manufacturing is non-existent here.

I'm mainly interested in:

1. Identifying companies out there who can manufacture on contract a quantity of a product the same way book Publishers publish books.

2. What needs to be presented to the manufacturer since I've obviously never done this before (my product idea is an electronic device about 2 units X 10 cubic inches in a plastic case and the quantity I'm considering is about 100, 000 to 1M).

3. Other issues related to the above including things to look out for in order to avoid being short changed.

Thanx

I,m afraid you are asking a very vague question. In order to be of any help you will need to divulge the type of product, is it electrical in a box. What makes you think you could sell 100,000 or more?? If you do not have a Patent as soon as it comes on the market you will have competion, no patent no protection. How are you going to finance the purchase of 100,000 units?? If you cannot sell that many, how are you going to handle the loss of thousands of dollars.

I have a patented product, I believe a large market exists so after 5 years and 30 -50 thousand dollars on prototypes,product testing, market research, business plans and websites. I will be introducing it next month. If you are prepared to put in this much work. then go for it, otherwise drop the idea until you find someone to support you.

I suggest that you get a patent attorney and register your idea. As soon as possible start getting your prototype made. You should sell your idea to one of the well known electronics corpany. Beside getting paid for you idea. You also can continue getting a loyalty percentage pay from this product.

Good luck.

1Mv, so high voltage, can you implement it?

I can only make to 200kv in hf situation. 350kv in pulse situation. in small box.

I know english man and german can make such voltage in small volume box.

in china there are many produce lines for volume produce. all is automatic. 1M, a little dish of cake. qic