The Greener Grass On The Other Side. G.G.S
Appreciative inquiry
Does or could the technology exist today to permit
cancerous organs to be removed from the body for treatment?
Good
Day to all
Please
let me open with a thank you to a Member of CR4 who has assisted me phrasing
this question or better questions. I will leave it to the member if and when he
wishes to take credit for some of the editing,(italic). Thank You for assisting me in this endeavor.
For
the professionals, practitioners the Doctors and Professors in this field of
science, this must read like what the unobtainium threads read like to us.
If the impossibility, absurdity of this approach could be easily explained I
would appreciate it. Please forgive my ignorance. I have no applied knowledge
in any of the fields I will be speculating about.
To
Google this or use other sources of information can get a bit complex really
fast and the lack of time hinders me to do this as well. The CR4 short cut is
on the cards! See were this line of inquiry leads me.
My understanding of this subject is based on picking
up bits and pieces of medical technology, procedures, via science programs or
documentaries and mostly late at night when my brain is on over load. I approach it very much like an artist would
have a go at it. Or what is called a Bricoleur.
I am an artist so knowing all about these possibly basic things are
beyond me and any information would be appreciated.
http://cr4.globalspec.com/blogentry/7683/Bricoleur-or-Engineer-or
What
can I do, I have to give it a go, just in theory. 
It beats playing computer
games, if I can trust the body language of someone who plays them, so what the
heck. Then get back to what I do best. Not sure what that is right now but I
will find out one day.
In
this http://cr4.globalspec.com/thread/64391#newcomments thread (Thanks for
commenting in that thread Anonymous Hero (I can
see I nee to watch you v-e-r-y c-a-r-e-f-u-l-l-y. ;-)))) . You made me do this 
and now I am spending more time on
trying to put words to a dream scene and hope I can get some feedback or just
plain ridicule. Your background and interests should come in handy. I do hope that others will contribute as well, to making some of these processes more understandable to me.
Through
this thread I was reminded that, many years ago, maybe even decades now, I had
envisaged a way to treat cancer using a procedure which, to the best of my
knowledge, has not been tried or experimented with.
In
short, it is suggested to place the befallen tissue or part of the organ attacked
by the cancer cells, on the outside of the body and attract the cancer cells to
this sacrificial host to divide there and do what they do best, namely destroy themselves
and the host in the end. Stupid, sick little puppies they are.
I
hope Juice is reading this. He stuck his head out (in
the above thread) asking about things he could not get his head around, so can
I. He might have the facilities, one day, to run the suggested experiment. If
he or anyone else finds merit in the experimental research required to confirm
or disprove such an attempt good luck and hopefully some R&D funds come your way.
G.G.S
Simplified diagram
A
sacrificial, outside of the body incubation, nourishing host container, test
tube, would represent "The Greener Grass Side" GGS. This host could be fed and kept
alive in a bypass system which would be enriched with all the favorite
conditions cancer cells require to be successful in what they so undesirably
do.
What kinds of
chemicals do cancer cells uptake more rapidly than normal cells, and then how
could we trigger an attack on just those cells by some kind of reaction with
just that chemical, nutrient? (If the chemical was say light sensitive, and
then the tumor (cancer cells) were exposed to light, the reaction could cause
the cells to die, in the test tube.
These questions arise and are based on
the following assumptions:
That all cancer cells are mobile;
(Majority are fixed in tumor, some escape and establish elsewhere in body.)
1.
Why would a cancer cell decide to go outside of the
organ it has established itself in?
a.
Is there any evidence that cancer
cells are of themselves mobile?
b.
Are they pretty much fixed in place, with only
occasional cells getting into the bloodstream to spread?
c.
If a tumor is removed could it be
place outside of the body to attract the cancer cells still in the blood stream,
system?
One possibility could be that the conditions in the body, where the cancer
cells are fought, poisoned with anti cancer drugs (Standard Chemo Therapy) are
not conducive to cancer, they would have it harder to multiply in that
environment. They might choose to move on if and when enticed.
In the G.G.S, in a completely free of
"medication, poison", they would thrive, be supplied with what they like best
and attract other cancer cells (if they move or spread) to these "Breeding
Grounds". That circulation from the body to the GGS system will permit the cancer cells
to accumulate there, while being repulsed by the treated organ inside the body.
The reaction of the cancer
cells could be "I like this!", being
in the less poisoned environment, the GGS sacrificial Organ.
Build
it and they will come. Like in a fish pond were you have a designated feeding
area. You attract the fish with certain food. Never mind if they are predators
or plant eating. Just feed them the right stuff and they will remember where
they were fed. I feed tad poles in my garden pond and they obey perfectly,
depending on the food.
I
am thinking that bacteria or viruses would react in the same way. I know
bacteria would always go the highly nutrient part of a solution (body of water) so why not
cancer cells if attracted by are more convenient surrounding? Anaerobic
bacteria would avoid a high DO environment or die. They have this instinct,
choice, I speculate.
Make
them think that the 'grass is greener on the other side', which it really is for
them, in this case. When the cells in the bloodstream recognize that the living
conditions are not as tough here (GGS),
they leave the "real body" and conglomerate in the sacrificial body part. The
ones that stay are continuously bombarded by the chemo therapy.
Once
the cancer cell count goes down or they are not present, the host GGS is removed and discarded. In the
case of liver cancer the liver would regenerate once the cancer is gone. Other
organs one can live without. Skin cancers would be the perfect scenario on a
very small scale. Remove the melanoma, place it in a GGS environment and attract cells still in the blood stream to
there.
The two By-Pass systems would
be controlling what gets where and when. The length of time to keep such an out of the body
system from operating is not an issue. Once optimal dosing is achieved in could
be in operation as long as the doctors or patients wish.
The GGS system will somehow not permit immune system threats from host
tissues/infection contamination/ drugs and cell destruction products back
flowing into the body, the host.
The design of the apparatus would have to
compensate for this. See drawing.
1.
Would the body part/organ
need to be human?
Transplanting
animal organs or tissue, bones to humans is not unheard of. It has always been
the problem of transplants being rejected by the transplant recipient. Because
the suggested method is not inside the body and on a different blood
circulation By-Pass loop, rejection of the foreign body could be easier
controlled or governed.
2.
Would the body part/organ
need to be not only human but of an identical donor?
If
situation #1 is not feasible could
it be of advantage that the donor himself sacrifices an organ (liver, Kidney,
Skin, Bone marrow etc) for an "outside the body treatment". I believe there are
adequate techniques being performed to do just that; Keep an organ, tissue
alive outside of a living animal or insects and even traces of DNA. to let them
do what they do best.
This
would also be the case if the presence of receptor cells is required to attract
cancer cells. Could any tissue or organ attract cancer cells or does there have
to be a predisposition of the tissue/organ to cancer?
Would
the cancer cells adopt the GGS as
the equivalent of the still in the body counterpart? Could they detect the difference? See behind the trick? Jumping the "Frog in the well" barrier? I don't think so, because chemical reactions don't think they happen for a certain reason.
3.
Is there such an
environment/drugs/fluids etc. that is conducive, attractive to growing cancer
cells?
Like
in the fish pond example and from other experience everything has to feed on
something, even things that feed on themselves. If cancer cells grow, metastasis, then there should be a fuel that feeds this biological system.
What are the chemicals,
nutrients, temperatures etc. to invite the growth of cancer? Or is it just the DNA of the patient that allows cancer to happen. If DNA (receptors) are conducive to the process place them in the GGS environment. Distract them, like in old fashioned warfare. If you have no mines bury tins, that'll slow them down. Its more of a booby trap than a mine though. 
That the cancer cells are
not "of the tissue" but exogenous to the tissue; (in my
understanding, the 'cancer cells' in say lung cancer, are in fact lung tissue
cells) that are replicating at rate far faster than normal, hogging nutrients
and starving balance of organ of what it needs.
Would they not be better
off somewhere else, were they are nurtured and not poisoned. This asks for the
cells to be intelligent and be able to react to the offer of a better space for
survival, to be able to multiply at will and be encouraged to do so. Will they somehow summon the rest
of the tumor to migrate to where the grass is greener? Survival of the most opportunistic, sorry
Charles.
Advantages:
When
the cancerous organ/tissue dies, is consumed by the cancer outside of the donor,
system, animal it avoids surgical removal of either the remaining tumor,
cancer tissue or, most of the time, the surrounding tissues.
All
By-Passes can be governed separately, depending on the required chemicals or
nutrients that need to flow to the host or the GGS.
Any
tissue that could be held alive on the outside could be used to attract the
different cancers. Skin, Lung or Bone marrow, any organ or part thereof, that
could be kept alive outside of the body.
All
governing systems, instruments, By-Pass systems are in place, or so I think. Animals
would be tested on first, I promise.
No Dr. Frankenstein in sight.
Well
that is about it. See what comes my way and I hope to be able to answer any
questions if anything is unclear, which it possibly will be. Thanks for reading this far.
Hope
all stays well, Ky.
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