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Bending Copper Tubing

04/16/2011 5:41 AM

I am starting to loose patience with this one. I need to bend 1/2" soft annealed copper tubing into a spiral cone. each coil is 2" less in diameter than the last and each coil is 1" higher(from the horizontal) than the last. This is a continuous coil in the shape of a cone. The diameter of the coil is from 4 feet to 6 inches. I have tried so many jigs that my head is spinning. I understand there is a copper pancake coiler that will do the trick but I cannot find it on the web.

Each time I try to turn the coils, I either get kinking or flattening of the tubing. I am trying teflon and a specially manufactured spring as an internal support. The copper tubing is somewhat deformed even in in the coil that I receive and the internal support has to be 3/8 Inch in diameter to even fit. That is another issue: Pushing 65 feet of internal support into tubing that is in a coil to begin with. I have been told that HDPE is the best internal support for this type of process. Some one is Australia uses this successfully. Sure, just try to buy HDPE is a rod of 3/8 diameter in 65 or 140 lineal foot lengths without ordering 5000 pounds of the stuff. So far no luck. Oh, the 140 lineal feet is for the production model of my project. The 65 feet is only for the prototype.

What am I building? A solar thermal collector

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Any help at this point would be appreciated.

A word to the wise: In my research I used PatentStorm in searching for conflicting patents and found none. A lot of work later and after a lot of $ with a patent attorney, he found several conflicting patents. Problem: I used a recommendation from a CR4'er. Patent Storm does not have patents that go way back and that is where my attorney found the conflicts. Use something else, Google patent is a good start. I did eventually file for a patent and that is pending. But it has cost me considerable time and money that I might not have spent. Many patents for solar energy were filed in the 30's and 40's.

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Re: Bending Copper Tubing

04/22/2011 2:47 AM

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You are 'admonishing' me for a 'motive' You have conveniently and erroneously constructed.

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"But it seems everyone who has indicated "you need a groove" gets ignored".

That ignoring started with post #1 and continued with every input of 'knowledge and experience' being variously 'fobbed off'.

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06/03/2011 6:34 AM

You could also consider having more than one coil starts. Parallel and symmetric of course. Shorter, easier to roll and less resistance to flow. S.M

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Re: Bending Copper Tubing

04/19/2011 4:39 AM

Here an idea.

Have the grooved rollers sized for the tubing min. radius needed. Then the way this works as the center roller moves in between the other two rollers the smaller the radius is. This is good for forming circles. NOW here the way I think to make the cone shape. Have the two bottom rollers axes one shaft twisted left of center line the other twisted right of center line. Start with the largest dia. working to the smallest with the feed speed of the tubing and the vertical roller feed. Also this could be CNC controlled.

Or another option instead of altering the two rollers axes have a kicker block/guide to cause the tubing to cone. Have a long roller for the tubing to spiral onto for support.

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04/20/2011 4:35 AM

Not sure if this has been mentioned without re-reading everything, we make small coils in copper pipe but make them from kunifer brake pipe which is much easier to bend than even soft copper. I have seen it in ؽ" although we only use it in smaller sizes.

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04/20/2011 5:53 AM

I am not sure of all the constraints driving this project, but one of them would be the flow rate through the coil of tubing. The I.D. of the tubing, 0.468 inches, at say 6 ft/s, equates to ~3.2 gpm, which is probably optimistic. But even granting 3 gpm at 20°F ΔT (also probably overoptimistic), would give 30,000 Btu/h. This quickie thumbnail calculation doesn't prove much.

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04/21/2011 6:59 AM

A pipe bender is usually three rollers. Two stationary one that moves. The one that moves sets the radius of your bend. They all rotate as the pipe is ran though. If this rotation is geared properly it can be used to move the adjustable roller in to acquire the spiral you need.

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04/21/2011 8:17 AM

That would have to be cnc controlled. I seriously doubt that an operator could manually control the bend to fit my profile.

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04/22/2011 6:45 AM

You said this is a proto type not a production machine. And if geared properly it would work. Just need to do the math to select the gearing.

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