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Why Riding A Bicycle Requires Less Energy Than Going Afoot?

05/29/2011 4:17 AM

A person produces the same work relocating his/her body through the same distance (even possibly at the same rate - if riding slowly) at a bycycle and just going, but spends less energy riding. Where the energy comes from - the more so as in the case of riding even more work is produced as besides the body also the bycycle itself is relocated.

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Re: Why riding a bycicle requires less energy than going afoot?

05/29/2011 4:58 AM

The extra energy of walking is dissipated as heat in bouncing up and down on the surface being walked upon. (Among other things?)

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Re: Why riding a bycicle requires less energy than going afoot?

05/29/2011 5:36 AM

But one can hold oneself evenly while walking, controlling any bouncings, still be more tired than the rider.

In which aspect may there be involved the force of gravitation utilized by bycicle construction?

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Re: Why riding a bycicle requires less energy than going afoot?

05/29/2011 8:39 AM

They do not do the same amount of work, if they are on level ground there is no externally measurable work done, the cyclist can cruise while not doing any work, the walker cannot.

You can not walk and hold yourself level, you must lift your feet and legs with each step.

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Re: Why riding a bycicle requires less energy than going afoot?

05/29/2011 9:07 AM

How do you know, "but spends less energy riding." is true?

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Re: Why riding a bycicle requires less energy than going afoot?

05/29/2011 10:06 AM

To Passingtongreen

The same amount of work was meant in the sense a walker and a bycyclist get themselves from point A to point B (same distance), in the same amount of time.

To Lyn

Try walking and another time riding (on a good road), not speeding too fast, the same distance, let's say 10 miles, and see the difference.

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Re: Why riding a bycicle requires less energy than going afoot?

05/29/2011 10:52 AM

Your definition of work is...............................he searches for a non-confrontational term..............un-scientific, at best.

You have no factual basis for your remarks.

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Re: Why Riding A Bycicle Requires Less Energy Than Going Afoot?

05/29/2011 12:21 PM

AP #1,

You gotta watch trying to compare biological work to mechanical work. Just for example, you use about 0.1 kWhr sitting on your front porch watching the grass grow. That rock you use for a door stop doesn't do any work just sitting there.

Even if you could keep your body level while walking (you can't, but the mechanics are too much for me on a Sunday), your legs are moving, so the cg of your body is going up and down even if the cg of your torso isn't.

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07/02/2011 11:40 PM

Grocho Marx could walk without his body going up and down...just bend your knees more.

Bicycling uses less calories per hour than walking fast because of the gearing...unless you try to ride slow in top gear sitting down.

Leisure cycling @ about 10mph......300 calories an hour

Walking very briskly @ 4mph..........400 calories an hour

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07/03/2011 1:05 PM

Even if you control up and down, you still must accelerate forward and backward.

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Re: Why Riding A Bycicle Requires Less Energy Than Going Afoot?

05/29/2011 12:29 PM

Tornado has the correct answer. Work done is Fds, (where F is force [mg] and ds is displacement) and in this case the walker performs work (thus expends energy) every time he lifts a foot. He gains very little of that energy back as he lowers his foot after taking a step. (Yes he might try to maintain a 'roughly' constant center of gravity above the ground and reduce the net work done, but that's an unnatural way of walking and probably burns a lot of muscle energy.)

The bicyclist, on the other hand, only has to overcome a bit of static fiction and rolling friction; he performs very little work against gravity since the ds part of Fds is nearly zero as his feet maintain the same average distance from the ground as he pedals, and his center of gravity barely moves.

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05/29/2011 1:30 PM

Consider also, the walkers legs are holding his weight up. When walking smoothly without bouncing your torso you legs will usually compensate for the motion by being bent, at which time your muscles are carrying your mass; when walking normally (bouncing) your bones tend to carry most of your mass. When you are on a bicycle, most of your mass is resting on the seat, one leg is resting on the pedal while the other is using the muscles to push the pedal downward (mass is negated by one leg mass riding up while the other is falling with pedal).

So, when walking you are holding your mass up, when riding your mass is resting on the seat.

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Re: Why Riding A Bycicle Requires Less Energy Than Going Afoot?

05/29/2011 12:47 PM

If you compare the two situations you notice that:-in walking at every step an important part of the body weight is moved against the gravity thus requiring an important WORK since work is Force (Weight) x displacement. Further more there are other resistances to compensate.- when you ride a bike there are (at same speed was walking !) only a SMALL part of body weight is moved against gravity since the main weight is on the saddle and does NOT have the up and down movement as in walking. The wheel resistance is in general small and under the assumption that air resistance is the same the power required for a bike ride is < than for a walk at same speed.An interesting remark is that at same speed small paces at higher frequency could be more economical than big with lower frequency. I do not speak about "running" since in running other ergonomic factors will interfere but also in running the vertical movement is the most energy consuming. Muscles due to own elasticity can have a positive effect.If it is not clear I can elaborate.

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06/04/2011 4:53 AM

This has to be a GA. Strange that someone thought it was OT, it takes all kinds i guess.

i don't understand of course, but the images are awesome !

Btw, what is the difference in the energies spent by an exerciser on a treadmill vs on a bicycle (spelling ok?) ?

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Re: Why Riding A Bycicle Requires Less Energy Than Going Afoot?

05/29/2011 1:41 PM

Googling shown it is all about just leverages and force multiplication ("simple machine").

A more effective moving the body is probably not a right explanation.

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Re: Why Riding A Bycicle Requires Less Energy Than Going Afoot?

05/29/2011 1:55 PM

Sorry, so, it is both : the system of leverages, and a more effective use by the rider of the movements of his body.

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Re: Why Riding A Bycicle Requires Less Energy Than Going Afoot?

05/29/2011 2:11 PM

You people have forced me to rethink this mechanical advantage thing. I was not taking into account the amount of energy required to overcome gravity while walking.

I'm in the middle of replacing my 30 year old pool pump, on a holiday weekend.

That's enough trauma for now, but I see the light.

Cheers.

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Re: Why Riding A Bycicle Requires Less Energy Than Going Afoot?

07/02/2011 11:46 PM

If you got 30 years out of a pool pump you should not be feeling any trauma at all...you should be saying to yourself, "I got more than my money's worth out of this one!"

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Re: Why Riding A Bicycle Requires Less Energy Than Going Afoot?

05/29/2011 5:18 PM

A. Bicicle
B. Bicycle
C. Bycicle
D. Bycycle

Only one of these is correct.

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Re: Why Riding A Bicycle Requires Less Energy Than Going Afoot?

06/04/2011 6:33 PM

AP#1,

Both Nick Name and Lyn gave answers better than my poor explanations, but perhaps I can summarize for you, referring to their answers.

1. You are absolutely correct that the biological work (defined as what your body experiences) is greater for walking than for riding a bicycle. We can write a simple model as

B = ηW + k

where B is the biological work, η is efficiency, W is mechanical work (as defined in textbooks), and k is the equivalent of a axis intercept due to maintenance requirements for a living being.

2. k has nothing to do with mechanical work, but is only a function of the built-in work sinks of humans. You can experience this by taking a bucket holding 1 gallon (4 litres) of water in each hand and extending your arms straight out to your sides. Then stand perfectly still. No mechanical work is being done, but you will become exhausted (and pain-ridden) from the biological work.

3. The efficiency η depends on a variety of factors. It includes such things as the very low rolling friction of a bicycle wheel (particularly the 26" size or larger), the losses to kinetic friction of shoes on ground (they must slip in order to walk - try golf cleats on thick loop carpet to prove this), the dependence of human muscle efficiency on contraction velocity (thus Lyn's speed observation), the storage of energy in the bike wheels (history's first regen hybrid), and so on.

4. The mechanical work W is caused by several factors, only one of which is the cg of the torse. In a normal gait (or anything close), the walker swings a leg forward, accelerating it in a pivot about the hip, stops it (deceleration) and accelerates it backwards for the heel strike. Thus, you have to accelerate the mass of the leg as well as do an angular acceleration of a significant moment of inertia about the hip joint. As Nick Name pointed out, the bike eliminates most or all of that. Further, the weight of the torso accounts for about 65 % of the mechanical work; park that weight on a seat and you've gained a huge advantage.

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Re: Why Riding A Bicycle Requires Less Energy Than Going Afoot?

06/05/2011 9:09 AM

Thank you all, now I know (and many others will know) !

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