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Name Pluto's New Moon!

07/20/2011 1:37 PM

I figured I'd put up a fun post. Hubble has recently discovered a new moon orbiting Pluto. Although very small, 8-20 miles in diameter, it still deserves a name. Right now it's designation is P4.

What would you name it?

Pluto's other moons are named Charon, Hydra, and Nix.

http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/hubble/science/pluto-moon.html

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07/20/2011 1:44 PM

I would name it Lethe since it is so small and hard to find.

In Classical Greek, the word Lethe literally means "oblivion", "forgetfulness," or "concealment". I'm using the name in the last sense.

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07/20/2011 1:54 PM

I like your suggested Lethe. Has a nice ring to it.

I was sort of thinking Kyneê. This a reference to the aidos kyneê (Cap of Invisibilty) that was given to Pluto by the Cyclopes.

These are both better that P4.

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07/20/2011 2:24 PM

That's a pretty cool one too.

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07/21/2011 3:22 AM

In Greek language, "Lethe" (i.e. "λήθη") mainly means "oblivion". So, would you like this little moon to be "forgotten"???... ...

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07/20/2011 2:13 PM

Moonoid

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07/20/2011 2:59 PM

Gets right to the point. GA.

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07/20/2011 3:11 PM

Spiffy!

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07/24/2011 8:04 PM

my first thought :p

asteroid?

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07/20/2011 3:13 PM

Nugat - short for nugatory.

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07/20/2011 3:27 PM

Nugatory sounds like a delicious caramel and nougaty alternative to purgatory.

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07/20/2011 3:15 PM

What about Hephaestus?

(maybe we should find a larger and hotter object though..)

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07/20/2011 3:29 PM

That's lame.

Thank you, thank you, I'll be here all week...wait, where is everyone going???

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07/20/2011 3:32 PM

How about Spot.

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07/20/2011 4:35 PM

I'll put in Cephas...

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07/20/2011 4:49 PM

Nanus Selene (dwarf moon) for a dwarf plant...

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07/20/2011 5:26 PM

I go for "Micro" it is short, and fits to a small moon, on the other hand everyone know what such a name means!

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07/20/2011 6:16 PM

I refuse to go Metric till Europe starts using Metric time. Fair is fair.

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07/21/2011 12:35 AM
I know! I'm doing

my part; I bought a metric Crescent wrench just last Tuesday. I'm even planning on refitting my shop with a metric vice and drill chucks. (Maybe a metric yardstick or two as well).

We are going metric inch by inch! I think I heard this first from AH.

Seriously though, the strangest thing to me is the mixing of SI and Imperial units; e.g. we use units of adhesive coating weight of g/100in2. I understand why this came about; we have gram scales and inch-ruled paper cutters (the operators cut a 10" x 10" piece of paper, weigh it, stick it on the coated release liner, remove, and reweigh).

Other coating and material mass/area units that I deal with are lb/R (R = Ream = 300 ft2), oz/yd2, and g/m2, depending on which market you are dealing with.

Needless to say, I've got the conversion factors memorized.

I guess you could say that I've worked with both SI and Imperial units for so long, it doesn't matter to me what is used.

My take on US conversion to SI: machining would take a big hit, even if the demand for metric parts was high (which I don't think it is currently). What say you Milo, am I on or off?

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07/21/2011 3:48 AM

We contruct our part numbers based on the diameter in inches; we talk about our pipe diameters in inches, but lengths in millimetres (we actually buy them as metric diameters); we designate our sheet thicknesses in SWG, but buy them in metris, so "16swg" is 1.5 mm thick...something that confused my boss, who has memorised that 16swg = 1.62 mm. I pulled out a conversion chart I was given years ago with swg/mm/<my company mmm> on....

We buy our catalysts from the US, with loadings measured in g/ft3...which is a darned sight easy to deal with than calculating stuff from properties standardly quoted in: g/m2, g/cm3 and mm - at least it is when you have the powers of 10 disbility I have!

I do weights and lengths in Imperial, but power in metric (I just don't have a feel for a btu...I kinda know what a kW feels like).

PS: is a Crescent wrench the same as an adjustable spanner? And have you picked p a couple of lefthanded screwdrivers, to avoid allegations of discrimination?

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07/20/2011 6:06 PM

Rosebud.

Or Calyx Rosea, if you prefer.

Or just Calyx.

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07/20/2011 6:15 PM

What does it mean!!! Damn you Orson Welles!!!

Really liked this one. It was his dying words in Citizen Kane, which makes it tied to Pluto (god of the underworld) and also pays homage to a cinema classic. GA.

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07/20/2011 6:21 PM

Oh! It means all that??

I was just naming it after my hamster!

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07/20/2011 6:45 PM

That is one complicated hamster.

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07/21/2011 3:57 AM

Whatever - it gets my vote ;o)

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07/20/2011 8:40 PM

Hey! Where's my GA? You tease.

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07/20/2011 7:34 PM

On the Stygian navigation theme.. Lorelei might fit.

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07/20/2011 11:50 PM

ex-wife?

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07/21/2011 5:00 AM

Bump in the road.... Lorelei itself is not easy to miss, but the way is narrow and fraught with hidden dangers, as per the 'legend' of the river siren.

I guess I was imagining what it would be like to try to land on a planet with 4+ tight little moons! and wondering if there is other stuff too small for us to see from here..

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07/20/2011 7:37 PM

We shall call it "SPeCK".

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07/20/2011 8:00 PM

Déjà Moon

Pluto was declassified as a planet ~ 2-3 years ago? So it fits the "false recognition" definition.

The other definition is "already seen" - which it obviously has been (P4).

I guess I just go for the ironic, and the double entendre!

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07/20/2011 8:29 PM

Personally I don't recognize the International Astronomical Union as a valid authority. I based this on several criteria:

1. Most authoritative organizations of scientists have "American", "National", or "European" in their title (AUI doesn't).

2. Most authoritative organizations of scientists have "Society" or "Association" in their title (AUI doesn't).

3. It's a well know fact that it is extremely rare for any scientific authoritative statement to originate in Prague. (Usually Paris or London).

Based on the above considerations (and others), I regretfully had to demote the AUI to a "semiauthoity", a classification to be known in the future as a AUIoid.

Thus the AUIoid, being a AUiod, lacked the authority to demote Pluto in 2006. Therefore it never happened. I'm sure you're as relieved as I am. Unfortunately this means that your name for the moon no longer makes sense. I regret that because it was clever, but we can't go around calling AUIoids "authorities", it just doesn't make sense.

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07/20/2011 8:38 PM

That's right. IAU is bogus. We all know it's only the International Star Registry that can name celestial bodies!

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07/20/2011 8:43 PM

As long as they aren't in Prague when they do it.

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07/21/2011 1:09 PM

Agreed, the IAU is bogus. Just like the UN, which incidentally is a waste of money and time just as assuredly as the IAU is.

I say we all sign a petition to bring Pluto back to planetary status and thumb our collective noses that the IAU! LOL (hey, a little yellow planet with eyeballs and teeth!? hehehehe)

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07/20/2011 11:53 PM

How about Warren?

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07/21/2011 2:03 PM

Underrated player. When I think of the old Houston Oilers, I think of Warren Moon.

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07/21/2011 12:09 AM

Mickey!

(But who owns whom?)

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07/21/2011 1:41 AM

I suggest Styx, or Hella. They are easy to remember and they fit with the underworld theme.

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07/21/2011 6:07 AM

Del (hard to find when hiding in his special places)

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For you maybe, for me it is a doddle.

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07/21/2011 7:05 AM

Pluto is the name of a well known dog. Why not FLEA for its moon?

May be pronounced fleeyah...

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07/21/2011 7:54 AM

I would like to name it as "NANO".

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07/21/2011 8:02 AM

MOONS are concentric in orbit this one is eccentric how about Hollow Q4 OR destiny unknown p4.Important to realize this consen can abrupt and be debris with no holding pattern. The so called moon is as described however there is no geocentricism with the orbital pattern so its deb-re.

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07/21/2011 8:05 AM

I propose to call it Cerberus.

According to Greek mythology Cerberus was a huge, three-headed dog who was guarding the under-world (so no dead soul could escape). Pluto was the god of the under-world. So, as this moon is turning around Pluto (like 'guarding' Pluto and his under-world), I think this is a proper name.

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07/22/2011 5:46 AM

And a nice symmetry with Hydra

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07/21/2011 10:27 AM

PROTEUS

in Greek legend, he was the old man of the sea. If seized and held, he would foretell the future.

Heck, maybe P4 can get our body back as a planet where it rightfully belongs (orbits a star in a regular pattern-albeit shaken by four other orbiting moons).

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07/21/2011 12:05 PM

Sorry. Because Pluto is not a "planet" anymore it can't have a "moon".

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07/21/2011 1:22 PM

See comment #23

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07/21/2011 1:45 PM

How about "Sagan"? Few other names have stirred the same levels of imagination as his has. I know he has an asteroid named after him, he deserves better, at least IMHO.

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07/21/2011 2:02 PM

GA. Or how about Jack Horkheimer?

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07/21/2011 2:23 PM

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The International Astronomical Union announced today after an emergency hearing centered on controversial information regarding P4, Pluto's newly discovered satellite.

By unanimous vote P4 shall henceforth be named "Roger"

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07/21/2011 2:34 PM

HILARIOUS!

I will show approval with a GA vote.

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07/21/2011 3:36 PM

You all missed MINNIE !

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07/21/2011 4:41 PM

Goofy Sounds good to me after all this is a Mickey Mouse world we live in today. ;0)

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07/21/2011 5:43 PM

I would name it after ME! Having been a such good guy for many decades, I believe it is the least mankind could do for me! ha ha ha just kidding!

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07/21/2011 8:43 PM

You want to name it r&ddoc?

I'm in.

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07/22/2011 8:42 AM

... should r&ddoc be too long for a tiny moon, just call it "X" ... and I´ll know it was named after me! hahahahaha

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07/22/2011 4:31 PM

I don't know, I really like the idea of a moon with an Ampersand in its name. I feel like that's what would happen if Prince was one of three people deciding the name.

Neil deGrasse Tyson - I was thinking something like Kyneê.

John C Mather - That's not bad, Prince, what do you think?

Prince (Finishes licking his guitar string, stares blankly for 5 minutes, then says) - We name it should name it

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07/22/2011 4:37 PM

Hmmm... a man holding a Napoleon hat on his head...

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07/21/2011 6:21 PM

Styx, or is that taken?

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07/21/2011 10:14 PM

Mini-moon or Stumpy

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07/23/2011 11:51 PM

Roger, Is this one of those discoveries using the Hubble telescope that is important enough to destroy the US economy for? If so, I recommend the name Eco

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07/24/2011 12:39 AM

I can't believe you're so lame as to come taunt me on this lighthearted thread.

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07/24/2011 1:33 AM

GA Roger and BTW a Stirling job on ignoring the previous one.

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07/25/2011 8:02 PM

In that thread you said "exquisite Ad Hominem attack". I repeat the compliment.

To get 'serious' about a 'fun' topic: All the moons have Greek mythology names. The third largest is called Nix which means nothing. Since the new moon is less than nothing, lets name it Minos.

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07/25/2011 10:12 AM

Pooh..... Pun intended.

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07/26/2011 1:08 PM

tetracycline?

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07/26/2011 1:17 PM

I'm putting in Apollonius. it means Son of Apollo.

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07/28/2011 2:05 AM

shouldn't it be Plutonius then.

maybe it should be called Deathstar

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07/27/2011 4:18 AM

Politics/Religion: This post was deleted because it was overly religious or political. While each user is entitled to his or her own opinion on these topics, CR4 is not the place for discussion about them. Please review Section 14 of the CR4 Site FAQ and the CR4 Rules of Conduct.

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07/27/2011 8:38 AM

oh goody

not just a believer of overunity myths

a Fox news watcher too

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07/27/2011 10:27 AM

from what I hear, Obama is putting out Reagan era policies.. really out there I agree.

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07/28/2011 1:16 PM

Dear all, although rules are very important in our daily life, I always wonder what may have been written for a comment to be deleted, as many of us may agree (or not) with the deletion. Why not creating a tray called "Corner Of Deleted Postings" where everyone can take a look (but not reply ) to these comments? The decision of reading the content of this tray is the sole responsibility of the person who reads it ... and as all of us are grown up people there are probably very few comments that might offend our sensibility to the point of jumping out of a window! The positive side of my proposal is that reading these comments will also let us know whom we are dealing with, as we also will have the right of not getting involved in discussions with this person/s.

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07/28/2011 8:58 PM

That's been suggested before - but now we have a "Feedback" section, might be worth posting that suggestion there?

(I agree it is annoying not knowing what was said/deleted. The trick would be, if having read it, people would have the self control not to respond in some way and so continue the undesirable tangent?)

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07/29/2011 7:53 AM

Right! That is also the basis of democracy!

When you say: "would have the self control not to respond.." This should not be an issue either: I guess most of the participants would not get involved, nor the potential conclusions (if) will affect anyone. Most of these discussions are "hot" for a couple of days and will certainly be forgotten in a week... if not, just let it go on forever: who cares? It will do no harm.

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07/29/2011 8:30 AM

CR4 is a site owned by GS - as such, no more a democracy than any other Corporate.

This is made crystal clear in the FAQ's. So basically; if CR4 feel it will "do no harm" to CR4's image, they let it stand. If not, they don't.

Ref the second post; same answer as above, inc post such in Feedback.

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07/29/2011 8:36 AM

I strongly adhere to what Oscar says in your "signature"!

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07/28/2011 10:08 PM

It was an Anti-Obama rant

off topic

nothing that doesn't stay on other threads

someone was offended & hit the report button

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07/29/2011 8:05 AM

This "reporting" issue is something I dislike, as it is made anonymously (admin knows, but not the rest of us) and it is a sign of intolerance, shortmindness or low IQ!

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07/29/2011 8:39 AM

Report is a form of community moderation

ever notice how free of spam we are here?

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07/29/2011 10:49 AM

Right... but as I live in a country where we have had a dictatorship almost during the entire "Cold War", every time somebody tells me what to do... or not to read I tend to get a little anxious. Just that...

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07/29/2011 12:27 PM

Given the choice I wouldn't have any moderation in any but the most extreme cases

as 34.5 pointed out GS/CR$ gets to make the final decisions about such things

we are just the entertainment/content

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07/29/2011 2:54 PM

Just noticed you live in Mariposa: Nice place!!!!! A couple of years ago I rented a bike and drove 1,5 k miles all around that area!

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some of us are more entertainment than content!

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07/29/2011 8:59 PM

It's a big tent

room for everyone...

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08/08/2011 8:28 AM

Rok proposes to name Pluto's new moon "Falgor", because in his interpretation it means "small, but mighty", i.e. "petit, pero poderos".

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