If You Had to Choose, Which Should Get Funded

3.

....can you put that into "Joe 6-Pack" language?

If it were a bi-turboencabulator I'd go with that. It's faster isn't it? S.M.

Turbo is a bit passé, even in bi-form, and rather slow. I'd go for an ionicacceleratorencabulator, preferably in electric blue.

Guys, guys, nobody would like to see a functioning ionicacceleratorencabulator more than me, but we all know that nobody knows how to deal with the symmetric recoil asynchronicity (fakze's effect). Until that's figured out I thing we should stick to what's realistic.

You are being unfair. The ionicacceleratorencabulator displays neutral fakze's effect, not the hyper-positive fazke's effect you (and others) have suggested as a means for rationalizing its performance. Even a simple Googling of the phrase "what is "is"" will demonstrate that the ionicacceleratorencabulator is free of most, if not all, of the truncating ephemoralitities of the retroencabulator.

See, for example this: http://www.google.com/search?rlz=1C1CHKW_enUS430US430&aq=f&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=what+is+%22is%22

They said Einstein would not be able to fly. But he proved them wrong. He showed us that, IN HIS TIME, airplanes actually existed and had been used to transport humans! We take it for granted now, but before his Theory of Relatives, "second cousin" was an unknown concept! The ionicacceleratorencabulator needs no funding; it is already running successfully. We merely need another Einstein to find it in the parking lot.

Look, this isn't even a debate anymore. The ionicacceleratorencabulator has been clearly shown to have hyper-positive fazke's effect. Just because a few studies funded by the Cabulator industry are saying the fakze's effect is neutral doesn't make it so.

I wish I was wrong. I wish the fakze effect was neutral. Then we could polarize the magnetocapacitor symmetrically without generating a catastrophic Lorentz cascade. Consider this official statement by the American Physical Society on ionicacceleratorencabulators:

"Who the hell are you....security!!...get this guy out of here....what was he asking about, an ion accelerator?"

As you can see, the largest organization of physicists in the world, APS, is quite clear on this. The Fakze effect is hyper-positive.

(spellcheck just had a stroke checking this post)

The American Psychological Society does not consider the catastrophic Lorentz cascade a real phenomena: you will not find it in the diagnostic manual. One APS can be no more valid than another APS -- for obvious reasons.

Frankly, I think you are rationalizing. I want to deal with this sensitively, so let me say that I have my own issues with the relative sizes of the Tokamak (a name which is wrapped up in controversy regarding its possible derivations from two (2) different Russian phrases) and the ionicacceleratorencabulator. Size matters.

Shape is important too. It is painfully obvious that the toroidal shape of the Tokamak is suggestive: it cannot be viewed without seeing its feminine aspect. I feel the need to apologize to women for the shape of the Tokamak, even though I had nothing to do with its design.

For thinking men everywhere, it is obvious that the ionicacceleratorencabulator is better as a concept because its descriptor has more letters, and because it does not so actively and egregiously submit women to further pain by ridiculing the very shape of their bodily parts.

I think you may have picked the wrong version

You should apologize

on behalf of the rest of the planet

Apology accepted

Thanks a lot, K!

I could have gone on my merry way for the remainder of my days without having ever even paused to think about all the outrageous cr*p you men do to us women physically, symbolically, emotionally, spiritually, etc, and continued, in the grand scheme of things, to remain in a pretty darn good mood.

Your single post has forever changed my view, and ruined my good mood for the forseeable future.

I didn't accept the apology, moreover, watching this video really irked, nay, p*ssed me the h*ll off!

Now, my poor husband must bear the brunt of it, being a man and all.

He says thanks, too.

Surely it has to be green, then we can put "green power" sticker on it.

A VGA if ever there was one. Your (censored) especially.

I want deserve one right now!

Do you have a payment plan? Can the loan not be written in US dollars?

I think we've found our Marketing Guru guys.
Del

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A week away and I've missed all the fun and deeply technical discussions in which you guys have indulged these last few days, not that I could have added anything of any import. But the staggering results of many decades of very deep thought and exhaustive research are superbly summarized here in just a few short paragraphs. Awesome!

You have obviously reached the wrong forum. You won't find a lot of "Joe 6-packs" here. And if you could, I and many others would be intelligent enough to be somewhere else.

I'll recuse myself on this one.

Who's $30 billion am I spending for choice #1?

the link indicates the buy in is 9%

assuming we aren't covering for the European's nut our bill is only 2 billion

it should go really fast, if it turns left we can probably defer come of the costs with a NASCAR cup series campaign

My memory goes back to ZETA, nuclear fusion coming on line back in 1957, the promise of things to come , I vote for number 1, hoping that they have learnt something along the way .

Regards JD.

#4. EMC^2 Pollywell Fusion

EMC2 FUSION

They only need pennies compared to the other politically entrenched black-hole money pit systems to prove if the concept works large scale and do it in months, not decades.

In fact, they already have made significant strides in proving their concept.

They need $10 million to finish proving the concept. $200 million to build the first full-scale 100 MW fusion power plant.

Guns and butter; bread and circuses; these can be grouped more logically.

have you tried beer and vikes?

That's genius!

Oh, wait - I think that is what they are doing now!

It is interesting that the funding request from the group in New Mexico is millions, not ten's of billions

Probably why they don't get much attention.

Del, really! There are deserving merchant bankers out there who could really use this (small) money.

(Sometimes I think people forget those who created the system we find ouselves in today.)

...or if it even exists. As a matter of fact, in the interest of operating efficiency, the latest iteration of the Turboencabulator has no moving parts.

However, the Symmetrical Tokamak has no parts at all.

It's a difficult choice.

i vote (4) Both.

All you need is to send me the money (bank details will be sent as soon your irrevocable letter of credit is opened).

Becuse i have both the Tokamak and the Encabulator (in fact both the Ford and the Rockwell ones, and one of my own design which, i humbly submit, out-bull$hits them both by miles)

So, sit back, relax and enjoy your money being used in the magnificent science of Economics...which is moving money from place to place until it disappears.

I don't know, can you do it cheaper than EMC2 Fusion? Because I hear their imaginary devices are very cheap.

Definitely NOT number 2.

Why?

Because in some hidden government program somewhere they are probably funding it already, and if the program isn't canceled the funding will continue and the money will keep disappearing.

I really like this idea, and have given you a good answer vote -- in the hopes that by doing so, your answer will be more likely to attract attention at the highest levels of government. (It is rumored tha Obama, as just one example, pays attention only to good answers.)

This would give the "voting" populace a means of having their vote really count. It would revolutionize democracy by enabling elected officials to go about their business more openly and without having to pretend to feel guilt when caught. Productivity would go up: instead of spending 20% of their time doing stuff, and 80% sneaking around, they could spend 30% of their time doing stuff, and 70% sneaking around. That is a 50% increase in time spent doing stuff!

I wonder if there could be some leveraging and cost savings from providing "in kind" gifts to elected officials. Perhaps a large escort agency, for example, could offer a substantial discount to the IRS. The 1040 instruction would read something like this: "If you have checked line 35a, then check 37b if you would like your gift to delivered in the form of hooker time. This option can nearly double the value of your contribution, due to the impressive industry connections and buying power of the IRS." (The details would need to be tweaked a little for the Canadian market.)

Certain policy issues could be more easily and openly handled in a similar way:

__ Check here if you would like to have a foreign leader offed.

Donation amount: __________ Foreign leader: _______________

Please may I help by making a small amendment and filling in some detail?

_√_ Check here if you would like to have a foreign leader offed given loadsa money.

Donation amount: _$10,000.00_

Foreign leader: _His Empirical Majesty JohnDG_

No foreign coins, please.

Please send all the Foreign Coins [in care of this channel]

to anonymous poster # 4

we could have money directed to taking care of illegitmate offspring..

and support the purchase of high resolution ipod cameras with special penis enlargment software built in, for the discriminating congressman...

online and telephone voting is a huge industry for television... I'm really surprised we dont' have 6 week political careers with viewers voting people off the island floor of the house. and a vote based countdown to the one remaining candidate... and call that person the president... it would be so much easier than all that huckstering that goes on now.

I'm pretty sure it is coming... I wonder if the Romans really invented Survivor with the advent of Gladiatorial Combat.

chris

While driving on the freeway yesterday, G and I got a wonderful idea. An "A-hole tax" automatically charged to idiot drivers. You know, the tourist who sees a cow in a pasture while driving down the freeway, and has to slow down to enjoy the view. The guy who rents an RV three sizes bigger than his driving ability can handle, so he goes 30 on the highway and all but stops dead when he goes around a curve! The driver who holds up an entire 10 mile stretch of highway because he refuses to use a turn-out!

We would not only fund more turboencabulatirs, but we'd balance the budget, get out of debt, and have enough over to buy a small sovereign nation or two!

oooo thats a gooood one...

I think I may have talked about this scheme on Ed's

sell the highways extravaganza

commuter lane tax coupled with a inverse length of trip multiplier

the longer the trip the lower the toll for being in the left lane

example

the yahoo who darts in front of you cuts across 4 lanes to settle into the commuter lane for a 1/2 mile, only veer right [all you Europeans substitute left] back across 4 lanes to exit, the fee $50

the driver who merges gradually to the center, drives a few 100 miles & exits , fee 50¢

It is foolish to even discuss this because the people who look after us are taking care of all the details and doing what is best for us.

as a tax payer, your comment peaked my interest. who do you have in your back pocket? and why do you think i'll just let it slide? you're just another fool who thinks they're untouchable. no one is, even if your working in the black.

i'ld revoke your clearance status as of NOW

A bit of history for you, Roger. Many, many years ago, there were, in the US, two competing technologies for fusion funding. This may have been as long ago as the 1960's- maybe a bit later. I don't even remember the name of the competing system. There was a major discussion in the technical literature about the potential of the two approaches, and, from my youthful (and limited technical knowledge at the time) perspective, the loser actually sounded like it offered the better potential for achieving a sustained fusion reaction. Tokamak won. Why? Because this was at the height of the Cold War, and everyone in the West, after Sputnik, was really, really concerned about the Russians beating us again. No matter that the claims of the Russian team were considered even spurious back then (and never reproduced)- no one would ever suspect the Russians of publishing unreproducible Science for propaganda purposes, now would they?

As much as we all would like to see sustained fusion as a power source, I don't think more funding is going to ever get Tokamak to the point promised by the early Russian work.

I vote 3. None of the above.

Yeah, the hopelessness of Fusion power seems to be one of those persistent myths the public has. ITER will produce a functioning Fusion Reactor (in it's timeline) and the world will move forward from there.

Every year all kinds of discoveries are made in plasma physics that make Fusion more and more inevitable. These discoveries would happen more quickly if we actually invested seriously in it, but unfortunately the public prejudice (ignorance) regarding Fusion power is too strong to overcome to get funding.

I'll get mine at Wally World, imported from you know who!

.....that the Turboencapulator will be.......

Erratum ? Did you mean, perchance, a Turboencopulator ? A Retroencopulator also may make sense....

I'm having a hard time telling this thread apart from some threads on overunity and magnets in the fuel lines... its all too much for me.

Here, I'll help. The difference between those threads and this thread is n.

Those threads are nonsense.
Whereas this thread makes no sense.

nonsense - no sense = n

(See, I used math, it must be true )

how's tbhis fomula? roger x 1= n

I would fund the Tokamak. It is the most promising technology for harnessing nuclear fusion. If we do now acquire the technology then we will be buying our "Tokamak" from China in twenty years. The US must remain a technology leader or our economy is destined to further decline.

Bruce Maki

go ahead and fund it if you have a few billion laying around. or do you think the taxpayers should shoulder the burden?

4. Low Energy Nuclear Reactions (LENR),(formerly "cold fusion").

This is going to work, eventually. A factory is being built in Greece right now that is SUPPOSED to build furnaces for homes, based on a nickle-to-copper fusion process. Even if this model doesn't work, some refinement on LENR will. The R&D cost will be like the cost of the coffee breaks at LLNL (site of the Tokamuk).

{1} with reservations...

It seems it would be more logical to build a mini-Tokamak in outer space where there is no gravity, thereby reducing the energy input needed for magnetic plasma containment down to a mininum.

We could just load it into the Space Shuttle and....oh, wait a minute...never mind.

We should bring back the Sen. William Proxmire Fickle Finger of Fate Golden Fleece Award for projects that should be defunded.

Some Fuel for the interstellar fire

"I have 8 inches exactly Miss Smith"

Dunno what it is but it would look totally kewl in our living room!

It's a magnetic Anus Annulus