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Aluminium?

08/01/2011 11:56 PM

Maybe we can have a little fun with this, like the Ketchup!/Catsup! armies in a New Yorker cartoon....

Here is a good article.

True, the -ium ending comports with other -ium elements like sodium, potassium, etc. The quoted article suggests that this had a "classic ring" to it. However, other classical element names such as stannum (Sn, tin) and plumbum (Pb, lead) have only the -um ending, also like molybdenum.

The name alumin(i)um supposedly originated from the New Latin alumina, so whence the i? From the article, Humphry Davy himself waffled on this. Do those who say aluminium also refer to activated aluminia and the like? [For some strange reason, I couldn't italicize in this sentence; couldn't even highlight a whole word.]

Maybe Editor Crankshaft is the only one who cares, but we shall see....

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08/02/2011 1:48 AM

Though (should i use although ?) i grew up using Aluminium (and still have to do since it is the official one here), i am all for Aluminum (more sensible to pronounce) .... also color etc, which make more sense.

All right, let me go all the way...

You must have often thought English spelling is harder than need be.
Just look at words like cough, plough, rough, through, and thorough.
The great writer Bernard Shaw wanted us to change our alphabet. Here's
one way of doing it.

In the first year, for example, we would suggest using "s" instead of
soft "c". Sertainly all students in all sities of the land would reseive
this news with joy.

Then the hard "c" would be replased by "k,", sinse both letters are
pronounsed alike. Not only would this klear up the konfusion in the
minds of the spellers, but typewriters kould all be built with one less
letter.


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08/02/2011 2:01 AM

Thanks for the reminder of this classic!

(Also reminds me of "Wants pawn term dare lift honor itch offer florist a gull hose mane wasp Ladle Rat Rotten Hut....")

And just try to pronounce "molybdenium"!

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08/02/2011 2:13 AM

Awesome ! i didn't know that version ....

Another classic for you ....(with apologies to the English)

ONLY THE BRITISH COULD HAVE INVENTED THIS LANGUAGE

We'll begin with a box, and the plural is boxes,
But the plural of ox becomes oxen, not oxes.
One fowl is a goose, but two are called geese,
Yet the plural of moose should never be meese.
You may find a lone mouse or a nest full of mice,
Yet the plural of house is houses, not hice.

If the plural of man is always called men,
Then shouldn't the plural of pan be called pen?
If I speak of my foot and show you my feet,
And I give you a boot, would a pair be called beet?
If one is a tooth and a whole set are teeth,
Why shouldn't the plural of booth be called beeth?

Then one may be that, and three would be those,
Yet hat in the plural would never be hose,
And the plural of cat is cats, not cose.
We speak of a brother and also of brethren,
But though we say mother, we never say methren.
Then the masculine pronouns are he, his and him,
But imagine the feminine: she, shis and shim!

Let's face it - English is a crazy language.
There is no egg in eggplant nor ham in hamburger;
neither apple nor pine in pineapple.
English muffins weren't invented in England ..
We take English for granted, but if we explore its paradoxes,
we find that quicksand can work slowly,
boxing rings are square,
and a guinea pig is neither from Guinea nor is it a pig.

And why is it that writers write but fingers don't fing,
grocers don't groce and hammers don't ham?
Doesn't it seem crazy that you can make amends but not one amend.
If you have a bunch of odds and ends
and get rid of all but one of them, what do you call it?

If teachers taught, why didn't preachers praught?
If a vegetarian eats vegetables, what does a humanitarian eat?
Sometimes I think all the folks who grew up speaking English
should be committed to an asylum for the verbally insane.

In what other language do people recite at a play and play at a recital?
We ship by truck but send cargo by ship.
We have noses that run and feet that smell.
We park in a driveway and drive in a parkway.
And how can a slim chance and a fat chance be the same,
while a wise man and a wise guy are opposites?

You have to marvel at the unique lunacy of a language
in which your house can burn up as it burns down,
in which you fill in a form by filling it out,
and in which an alarm goes off by going on.

And, in closing, if Father is Pop, how come Mother's not Mop?

I WOULD LIKE TO ADD THAT IF PEOPLE FROM POLAND ARE CALLED POLES THEN
PEOPLE FROM HOLLAND SHOULD BE HOLES AND THE GERMANS GERMS!!!

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08/03/2011 3:41 AM

You left out cough, hiccough and fought

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08/03/2011 3:42 AM

and though.

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08/02/2011 2:57 AM

The Ketchup/Catsup cartoon is for real, but I haven't yet found an insertable link. I did find this "article", though.

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08/03/2011 1:25 PM

LOL. I thought it was Wikipedia, and started reading, fascinated by the story. I did pause at a few of the names, but it took me to near the middle before I realized I had been had.

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08/02/2011 2:57 AM

C'mon, you guys over the pond can't even pronounce Aluminium... it's no Aloooominum, it's Al-you-min-E-um.
Jeez and you had a presidents that can't pronounce 'Nuclear'.
Can't you speak proper like we does? I don't Adam and Eve it.
And who'd have though Michael Palin's sister could be so stupid?
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08/02/2011 3:05 AM

I think we should pronounce it "a-LOOM-in-yum" until the "y" goes away.

Touché on the pukular "nukular", though. (I once wrote a cochlear Ed. C. riff on this, pronouncing that as "cockular".)

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08/02/2011 4:48 AM

As professor Higgins sings in 'My Fair Lady'

"..... In America they haven't used it (English) for years !..."

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08/02/2011 4:55 AM

And proudly not!

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Yay Del, from Aus

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08/04/2011 12:07 AM

you had a presidents that can't pronounce 'Nuclear'

That's why Pres. Bush couldn't find any nuclear weapons in Irac - he was looking for nukular weapons.

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08/04/2011 2:51 AM

I thunk it was Al-you-MIN-e-um.

(But for iambic pentameter, just put the accents where ya hafta.)

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Nay, the real purpose of Al-you-min-E-um is to put that superfluous "i" in the face of those damyankees.

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08/05/2011 4:45 PM

Well at least we pronounce tomato an potato so they sound alike.

Not like you Brits who can't seem to understand that just changing 2 consonants doesn't make the vowels sound different.

Poe-tay-toe/ toe-may-toe not toe-mah-toe

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08/02/2011 3:54 AM

"Ghoti."

How to pronounce it? Here's a clue:

The "gh" is from "enough".

The "o" is from "women".

The ti is from "station".

Hence, "ghoti" is pronounced "fish".

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08/02/2011 5:20 AM

It's a conspiracy. Like the game of Cricket.

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08/02/2011 5:23 AM

Hell, that's even slower than baseball....

(My, aren't we getting afield?)

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Baseball is just another name for rounders.

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08/02/2011 10:41 AM

More "hard to take" than aluminiun/aluminum which are spelled differently are the changes to the pronunciation of words spelled the same way. Further, there is a difference in commonly used word sequences.

If I spell the word they way it is spoken in this area:

Butter is pronounced budder.

Saturday is pronounced Sadurday or Sadiddy

Duct is pronounced, duck.

Soldering is pronounced Soddering.

When I arrived here, an American friend told me, "Don't, like a supplicant, ask, "Where is the butter please?"; demand, "Where's the budder?".

On sequences, where English me would ask, "Have you got any? American me asks, "Do you have any?. The sales people appear to register the sequences rather than the words. In the UK, because of tourists, many people register both, but "Have you got?" only rarely here.

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08/03/2011 12:21 AM

Waddayaonbout. Here in straylya nowun waistime torkin propalee eetha.

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Spoken in true Stryne!

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08/02/2011 12:21 PM

Yeah ! exactly.
I had enjoyed to read your all information.Aluminium is one of those important metal which makes human life so convenient.

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08/02/2011 11:30 PM

You are all wrong. Sir Humphrey Davy chose the name "alumium" in 1808. That is the correct spelling, no matter how you chose to pronounce it...

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08/03/2011 4:05 AM

Rough, cough, bough, ought, though, through--there are at least six ways to pronounce "ough". (And you thought French was weird?)

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"Thought"?

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Let's try that again.

Though the tough cough and hiccough thoroughly ploughed him through, he fought on.

That's it, eight of them, except in USA (hiccup)

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08/03/2011 8:49 AM

Let's all just say aluminum.

President Harding made up the word normalcy and now it's an official word.

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08/03/2011 8:57 AM

There aren't any i's in team but too many i's in aluminium. Maybe we can take 1 of those i's and put it in team?

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Hey Coach! There may not be an "I" in "team", but there is an "m" and an "e"!

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There is a "me" in it, if one looks closely.........

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08/04/2011 3:37 PM

And a stutter joke when one has a morbid imagination

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08/03/2011 10:49 AM

This reminded me of my college days. I had two physics professors. One was from the UK and one from Japan... between a-LOO-min-ium and "no-mo-bos" (snowmobiles) we all thoroughly paid attention if nothing less than just to get a kick out of the language differences.

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Did the eggnishner work?

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I have to admit I had to look that one up... never heard it before, but I like it!

(and, yes, it did!)

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Yeah, wadeva. You should come over and come to the barbiquera for a gobfull

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Aw... how sweet!!! Should I bring the potato salad??

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08/03/2011 5:58 PM

Nah, got the spuds. Just rappem in alufoil and ad mayo later

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08/03/2011 6:07 PM

a-LOO-min-ium foil right???

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08/03/2011 6:23 PM

The loo is to the left, minimum foil needed.

Coneheads and foils go well together too. You're a Guru now, plug in.

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08/04/2011 12:30 AM

You ozzies muz be lizzenin' tutu mudge Leon Redbone.

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08/04/2011 2:37 AM

He one of the few who will never need an eggnishner. Too cool to menschen

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08/05/2011 4:41 PM

We have to stay firm on the correct, British spelling for aluminium or it will prove to be the thin edge of the wedge.

If we give the Americans an inch, the next thing you know they will have us all measuring distances with the damn things.

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Would that be an aluminium wedge or an aluminum one?

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