Cannot Find This Plug on the Internet.

So, if you pull the plug does the internet go ou______

Sorry, just could not resist.

Can you contact the manufacture of the motor? That would be my first step.

Just send it to LynDoor™ Industries, P.O. Box 9.

We'll have an answer in 5 working days.

LynDoor™ is here, there and everywhere for you.

Neither did I see this among the worldwide standards I could find easily. Maybe it is a proprietary special?

I think you may find somewhere it fits on this thread
Del (Kris made me say it)

China / Australasia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AC_power_plugs_and_sockets

No cigar here either.

http://electricaloutlet.org/type-i

Assuming this is for US use, it's 120v ac, and you can identify hot, neutral and ground, you should be able to fit it with a standard US male plug. Check the requirements for your motor first though.

Blade orientation is not the same.

Oops!

How about Israeli?

Looks like the Israel model!

Having taken a closer look at the blade orientation, it looks like Kramarat is probably be right - Israel.

I can understand Israel wanting to forge their own identity, but that's a little overboard. It looks like that plug is unique to them. No place else on the planet uses it as far as I can tell.

Yes, so it seems. But it is also strange that the OP should be getting a motor fitted with an Israeli plug. When I first saw the photo I thought it looked like a chinese plug, so I immediately assumed it was shipped on a chinese motor (quite a few of them about these days), which seems like it ought to be a reasonable assumption. I'm not aware of any Israeli motor manufacturers, especially for fans.

No, he wasn't fitting this plug. They removed it to fit a conventional plug. He was just curious as to where this one came from.

Strange, this.

It does appear at least similar to an Israeli plug shown and identified in #9.

According to Wiki, in Israel "The standard for H plugs and sockets was recently modified to use round pins, so most modern sockets accept both type C and type H plugs. Type M sockets are used for air conditioners."

'C', 'M' and 'H' all round pin plugs. In addition, Israeli mains power is 230VAC 50Hz. You tell us the fan is 120VAC.

That is odd. type H flat pins were changed out in 1989.

http://electricaloutlet.org/type-h

He may have something like this.

That motor would certainly be a possibility... but looks to be hardwired (no pigtail).

Methinks our OP need to enlighten us a little bit.

Here your go guys and gals, another picture and a little more info. The white wire was ground and the red and black wires were the line. If you look at the plug, it looks like you can plug it in in any orientation.
This started out as a curiosity and now has turned into an obsession. I told the guys at work that I could go to Google and find this in 10 minutes, didn't happen. They are also helping me out. One of them said this is goes in an outlet in AREA 51. The other one said it probably came off a Delorm.
Thanks for any help.

That's not perfectly symmetrical, but it looks as though one could jam it into any of the three orientations, unless the outer shape of the plug obviously matches the socket.

It looks symmetrical to me: each pin appears to point to the inner edge of the adjacent one.

These two pictures don't quite line up (one is just rotated), but, I think that's because of the angle of the original picture:-

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BUT that would be insane for a plug for Live, Neutral and Earth.

The OP could confirm whether it's symmetrical or not by pushing it into some expanded polystyrene, or, I guess a sheet of plasticine or "blue tack" would do. (Is blue tack a term understood in the US?)

The pins themselves look symmetrical which, as you say, seems insane, but the plug is not. I wonder if it is supposed to plug into a recessed socket? Perhaps on a piece of proprietry equipment?

That was my first thought too. The orientation is based on the shape of the plug itself, rather than the pins. Most likely some special socket made just for that product. Might have been a clearance issue or something. An interesting one to start the day for sure!

I guess you have already checked this but maybe further information about the motor itself would help finding an answer.

Do you have any plate or sticker on the motor that could give a hint?

I couldn't let that GA stand. The hunt continues.

So, the guys at work are helping too. Do they know the manufacturer? That may be some useful information. Are they looking simply to identify, or are they looking for a pigtail... a receptacle? Is there any other information on the nameplate or carton?

"This motor came to us for a small fan. " Came from where? It is intended for use in a fan? You are installing it in a fan? It cost you a small fan?

"It was l/4 hp, 120 v ac." 'It was..? Which was, the old motor or the new? What about the voltage/Hz of the other, whichever it is. It is an assumption you are in USA. (You tell us this is unusual in USA. I already know that. Where are you trying to install this?)

"After we installed it, we noticed that the plug we had removed..." So, is this an image of the old plug, or the plug on the new motor?

Unless I have missed it, this thread is not an information-rich environment.

It is (or is very similar to) a NEMA 10-30P, 20amp, 125V, 3 pole, 3 wire, straight-blade, non-grounding plug. For a plug l blade is neutral, \ is X and / is y. Leviton no. 9151-N.

Prior to the popularity of the U-ground 2 pole 3 wire grounding plug (NEMA 5-15P) with the implementation of OSHA standards in 1970 this was often used as a 2 pole 3 wire grounding plug for factories and other sites where grounding was important. Since this couldn't be inserted in a U-ground socket there were no chances of misuse. If I remember correctly the l blade was used as the ground, the \ was the hot wire and the / was the neutral.

Never saw them in any other use besides factories and where grounding was critical. Last saw one of them around 1972 when OSHA spec'd the U-ground setup.

Good Luck, Old Salt

Don't think that's 10-30P.... it's (kind of ) like a centre-line mirror image of 10-30P. 10-30P has the live/neutral pins arranged with the nearest point to the earth pin divergent from the earth pin. The illustrated plug has the live/neutral pins arranged with the nearest point to the earth pin pointing at the earth pin.

To immediately slightly contradict myself, I'm also confused that fact the pins all seem to be pointing at an angle to the centre of the plug, rather than pointing at the centre. Is that so or is it the angle of the photograph?

It looks pretty much like the old Israeli plug which was only used in Israel and Jordan.

However, attacking this from another angle.... white earth? Who uses white as the earth? Can anyone identify the wiring colour code? That should help us narrow it.

Sorry, but that doesn't look at all like a NEMA 10-30P. (Nor any other NEMA I've yet seen.)

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As I said " It is ( or is similar to)". Looked like it but if I'm not positive I try to use a qualifier. After a full engineering career I am smart enough to know there are few absolutely correct things, much to many exception! Very few people have ever seen a NEMA 10-30P.

Thanks, Old Salt

Now that I have had some time to do more research: I incorrectly stated it was a NEMA 10-30P (typo) should have been stated as NEMA 10-20P, 20 Amp, 125/250 volt, 3 pole, 3 wire-grounding plug. Hubbell model HBL9977C. The slang name for it is "crowfoot plug" l

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Unfortunately I haven't found a good electrical spell-checker yet!

TO ERR IS HUMAN, TO FORGIVE DEVINE.

Good Luck, Old Salt

Nawp.

Where is our original poster? Maybe lyn has it right: Don't talk to AP's.

You should have quit while you were ahead.

Any possibility that the pins have been rotated a bit, by accident or design? A little twist with plyers could cause some confusion.

methinks somebody has had a few spare mins in the office ! I'm no better, having made quick checks for places like Albania and Khazakstan . Personally I wouldn't have gone AP on such as this. Perhaps AP can follow up with lightbulb types - "it ain't bayonet, and it ain't screw. Any ideas ?"

Cut the cable and use local plug the easy solution.

clue...... hospital.... the like and surplus military

Home depot has extension cords that have that shape

I've seen this male and female version and it seems we are looking to far away from home. This motor is most probably used in an special use location, such as a ice machine, Commercial washer, printer, and so forth. The part no. or model will indicate its true purpose. It was desiged to be used on that machinery. That plug design jump the price of the motor from $50 to $300...Change the plug to fit your application...

Looks like a plug type used in China, try this vendor

www.hktdc.com

It looks like the plug that used to fit into the old Payne Furnaces 50's - 60's models that we removed from houses in the 70's and 80's for up grades. If you did not use the factory motor for replacement you had to use the cord since the blades were offset but the plug fit into a recessed receptacle on the fan relay board.

But hey that was a long time ago and to get one now is very strange.

You could be on to something there. Perhaps the OP bought the motor off ebay.

I suggest that you carefully wrap the plug in 3 layers of aluminum foil. Then apply two layers of black electrical tape, place that into a plastic sandwich bag. Cover that with two more layers of aluminum foil and tape and then throw the whole mess into the nearest trash can and get back to work.

I wonder what troll(s) voted posts 9, 23, 49, and 50 Off-Topic; they are all on target (or close).

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It's time for pegboard class, where kindergartners learn that square pegs do not fit round holes, and where angles actually have to match up....

It's time for bed.

I'll humbly ask again if there is any possibility that the pins have been rotated by force or by heat which could have melted the plastic body of the plug allowing some alteration of pin alignment. If so, it would then conform to one of the above mentioned standard plugs.

Thanks to everyone who has offered their opinion on this plug. Would have have gotten back with you sooner but my website server was not working yesterday.

This was a new motor out of the box from WW Granger. This is the first time we have received a motor with the pig tail on it. Normally, we just get generic motors for fans, pumps, etc. This plug was brand new, out of the box, has not been been bent, twisted, heated or inserted in any way. Being that the ground pin is the same length as the hot pins, I am beginning to think this plug was a mistake to begin with.

Unfortunately, this order was telephoned in and the motor was delivered with only paperwork for billing. Our billing office is in another state and it would take an act of congress to go back and find out what was originally ordered.

I was just hoping that someone had worked with this particular plug and could give me a little background. It is obviously a specialty plug of some kind. I have looked everywhere Google would let me go for special and proprietary plugs?????

I'll just set the plug on my desk and think about it every now and then. And again, thanks for every ones hard work.

Thanks. Very good of you to come back to us.

But you cannot just launch the grenade, torpedo, bomb, or whatever into the quiet waters, and then just retire for Port and cigars. The fact is, we are all very intrigued by this, and like an itch it must now be scratched.

Over to you! Please tell us more!

Trying to narrow it a bit: Red live; Black Neutral; White Earth. Does anyone know of a country that uses that standard?

Evan

I don't know if anyone asked, but was the wire molded into the plug or are they attached with screws?

You might give these people a try. I dealt with this sort of thing many years ago at a company I was working for then. I'm pretty sure this is the same company. Give them a call. If they don't have it, they will find out where you can get it... if it is possible.

I'm glad you found it. These kind of questions drive us all nuts.

I'm assuming you're the OP. I'm also assuming that you tracked down the answer.

If that's true, I can't figure out why someone undid your GA. It's the only right answer here. I can't vote twice.

I also fail to see how an OP, leading us on a wild goose chase & answering his own question is a "good answer"

posting anonymously because it annoys everyone one who is so very concerned about good answers

He tracked down the answer, came back and let us know what it was. I'm sure he was hoping that one of us could just answer it and get on with his life.

A GA is not a status symbol. In this case it happens to be the only accurate answer to the question. I'm glad to know what it is. I personally probably burned up a 1/2 hour poking around the net.

Jeez, I wonder if his coworkers are mad too because it was he that found the answer.

For anyone that's counting, his GA to post ratio is an incredible 100%.

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I voted post 64 as a GA. Perhaps nudged by our contributions, it looks as though the OP did some further looking, found his answer, and reported back to us with thanks. You just about can't beat problem solved + gratitude.

I would have given a GA, but could not verify that his answer was correct. I looked in Grainger for A O Smith motors, but found none with that plug attached. The motors with plugs that I saw had different plugs than that one. I dare anyone to find the matching receptacle. It's still a mystery.

Try A O Smith 2fgp6 motor

Also Krack Refrigeration.

Karck said motor lead replacement set??

You sure could not plug something wrong in, I could not find anything that was even close

Hi James, welcome to CR4. I gave you a GA. The plug is a first for me. You're never too old to learn something.