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Hobart AMX-16 Dish Washer Problem

01/28/2012 3:52 PM

Hi! I am having a lot of problems with this brand new appliance, and because we are on an oil rig platform, we can not get a thec out offshore (apparently)... So we are on our own, without proper information or thecnical support neither the proper litterature.

It all start shortly after it installation, the fault display is FSO 3, we replaced the pressure transducer, i do not know how many time, investigate the drain/ syphon plumbing everthing look OK, The machine keep drainning itself empty. So a couple of day ago i decide to replace the board (PCB) supply by the vendor, It come with a pamphlete talking about " flashing the E-Eprom" which is not existing on our machine, There is no chip plugged in the socket... But i had nothing to loose i tried it.

Guess what? That did not work at all, and after re-installing the original PCB, now the display show SP7 at power up, the drain pump is still running but that is it.

To complete i like to tell you that now we are using disposable cutlry, and dishes for safety reason and i lost all my friends HaHa ( got to have fun any way ).

I hope there is some body who can help me with this problem.

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Re: Hobart AMX-16 dish washer problem

01/28/2012 4:10 PM

Welcome to the world of electronic black boxes, with no user serviceable parts inside. There are especially ill suited to offshore installations. What you need are some simple electromechanical switches that can be bypassed (and monitored) if need be.

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01/28/2012 4:33 PM

Thank for quick reply, and accually i thought about it, but as you know the good old day that we could use our imagination to get thing to works are over now.

I cannot make any modification because somebody may have a food poisoning and die because of it and this will be terrible the electrician modified the sanitizer that why i m dead... you got it

But i like the idea, I can use a simple PLC ?? Not electromech but andy.

What do it need to do?

1- Maintain water level and temperature

2- Hood close 5 sec, start pump let say 3 minutes ( if hood open shut pump)

3- What else, some soap maybe?

I must be missing something, I will keep thinking about it

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01/28/2012 9:27 PM

Heard Hobart is making good welding machines and their dish washers make good shelters for fauna on the ocean floor?

A PLC can do the work, if you can do the work on the PLC. Otherwise a switch box with remote control and a stopwatch. This way you can optimize and personalize your dish washer preferences. ??

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01/28/2012 11:07 PM

Good suggestion. If you can make sure the hot water is hot enough to sterilize the dishes and control all various pumps etc independently you can make it run.

There is a chance that the platform power is full of high energy transients the machine was never made to deal with = failure.

Thus any fix will need a power filter/isolator capable of the full current. Possibly a run hot UPS of the proper current capability. That is a UPS that runs the load from the battery and charges at the same rate. This provides very good power for operation.

This can not be the first deep water rig with a dishwasher. You may find there are ones that are capable of this use, more capable electronics, or more basic in operation and not prey to the faults of controllers in a hostile zone. In the budget of a rig like this, the cost of the proper washer is inconsequential compared with the daily cost of the operation.

Possibly chat with other rigs and see what their experiences were.

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01/29/2012 1:30 AM

Alternatives to consider

A - Get yourself a dog(s) (with sea legs) and then rinse in boiling water.

Plan B - Make each meal a Greek party.

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01/29/2012 8:49 PM

I use the dog method myself.

A dog's tongue really gets those baking dishes sparkling and no complaints.

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01/29/2012 7:28 AM

Thinking outside the box.....

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01/29/2012 4:12 PM

Good house wife, you should take care of her instead of loosing your time on the computer...

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01/29/2012 9:04 AM

Note the chip's orientation for the socket chip(s, make a simple drawing first), carefully remove the chips and place them on the new board, not bending or damaging any of the chip legs, check with a magnifying glass as its easily done wrong. A thin knife under one end of the chip between socket and chip, then the other end, do not use any force.....

Put new board into machine.

The socketted chips often are a PIC or micro controller or a flash memory for program that basically does all the work.....no chip, no work!!

Here is the procedure for a PC chip, its the same:-

http://www.badflash.com/removbio.htm

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01/29/2012 4:16 PM

Hi! That is what i do not understand, the original board has no chip at all, and it did work some...

I know it is hard to beleive but that is what i have....

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01/30/2012 5:26 AM

You never mentioned that before....you only said that the new board had a place for a chip, but none installed.....

I think you need Hobart tech support.....

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01/29/2012 10:36 AM

Did you try to call them?

http://www.hobartservice.com/contact/default.aspx

you'll need someone who can remain calm & speak their language

my experience with the hobart baking equipment technical support was good once I managed to speak to a tech...

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01/29/2012 4:22 PM

He has been in touch with the vendor, as they supplied a new control board, but there was no EPROM on it, not even a socket, so it must have been for another machine?

tried to get the manual, site is very bad. washer is expensive, suggest you sue

http://www.hobartuk.com/sites/all/files/site/pdfs/AMX-16.pdf

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01/29/2012 4:39 PM

no doubt they are tricky to deal with,

management is less than optimal

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01/29/2012 4:44 PM

part.sales@hobartuk.com

hobart service address

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01/30/2012 5:49 AM

Here are the files they give out from servive. Possibly someone can make some suggestions?

AMXX-N-o-1.pdf

AMXX-N-s.pdf

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01/29/2012 11:49 PM

These folks have helped me repair several appliances. And no, I do not work for them. Besides, who does not want to be an appliance samurai?

http://applianceguru.com/

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02/01/2012 7:36 PM

Hi you all, OK i got it....

Thank's to you all for assistance but i followed Mr Tornado adverse. I fitted a nice little Siemens L0G0! for controller, punched a float switch through the basin wall and went straight to the point about it.

Still have a couple issues which are going to be dealt with as soon as i received the expansion module.

Then since the cook brough back "porcelain" i have been signing autograph...

Bye

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