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Where are the New Energy Sources?

03/14/2012 7:38 PM

We have harnessed water, wind, solar, thermal and nuclear power. What has been done to harness the energy from lightning strikes, tidal change? Except for a few, not much has been done to harness a source of unimaginable power.

Addendum: If we don't find new renewable energy sources, the tree huggers will have to resort to burning the trees for energy. We need energy and those who have the environment as their cause will eventually have to drop their ideals in favor of survival.

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03/23/2012 8:52 AM

ronwagn, one can't be so naive.

You control the supply, your control the price.

In this case the oil companies control the supply not by pump oil but by refining it.

Who do you think owns the refineries now.

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03/23/2012 1:39 PM

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03/23/2012 2:13 PM

Actually, that was my second choice to your response.

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03/22/2012 7:43 PM

We just lost a major refinery in February, HOVENSA in St Croix, USVI. Another problem is inflation. For the past several years the presses have been working overtime printing counterfeit money. OPEC may be a lot of things, but stupid ain't one of them. They figure if we're gonna pay in Monopoly Money they want bushel baskets full.

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03/22/2012 7:49 PM

Yeah, and the banks are taking bushels of interest free loans and not loaning it back out. They're sitting on it or investing it.

Speaking as a "little guy" that all of these imposed measures are supposed to be looking out for....................................I'm scared.

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03/22/2012 4:41 PM

We have lost enough of our young men and women to the political warfare of the past ten years. Forty years ago Aramco was taking oil out of the ground in Saudi Arabia at $3 per barrel. OPEC made that jump to $35/barrel by being a Cartel, one of those things that the USA made illegal for US manufacturers to do.

If oil is in such short supply then speculation on the commodity is unnecessary since there is already a market for it. We shouldn't need the 5 per-centers in the middle. When prices are driven artificially high by speculation, then the speculators make out and all the "common folk" end up paying nickels, dimes on in this case dollars extra for a product that in some cases came out of US Government land or offshore leases. That land is owned by the citizens of the US and they are being robbed because the lease is sold and no return in made for each barrel that is removed from their land. Those leases should be sold the same way singers and actors get something for each CD or download or DVD sold or each ticket for a theater. If that money was returned to the treasury we could start to pay off the National Debt so our children and grandchildren wouldn't become slaves to the government and have to work into their 70's just to survive. Oh sure, they wouldn't make as much if they had to pay an extra $5 / barrel and still have to sell it at the going rate and yes, Exxon might only make 30 billion a year in profits instead of 40 billion but I'll bet that the shareholders won't cry all the way to the bank.

If you and your sons and daughters want to pick up a rifle and go invade Iran, be my guest but don't send any of mine and I'm sure that there are many on this discussion that want no part of it for theirs either.

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03/22/2012 5:40 PM

We have to remember that the US government gets 18 cents for every gallon sold............................and they do nothing for it. North Carolina charges over 35 cents per gallon....................and they do nothing for it.

Government produces nothing. They are not going to take any major steps to stop this easy source of revenue for them.

California is currently freaking out because they borrowed money against future cigarette tax money. Bad news is, that people are quitting smoking. Another shortfall, and they have no idea where they're going to get the money.

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03/22/2012 6:00 PM

have you lost your friggin' mind? What do you think funds the U.S. Government. It is taxes, borne by citizens and corporations. What you call nothing is no less than insuring your way of life. I am totally mystified by you.

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03/23/2012 8:47 AM

Stop making it so simple. Sure some (alot in military) goes to protecting the way of life not the gas tax though. That would go to road building and infrastructure (gas tax) and like all governments there is waste. I am not going to get into the lucrative road building projects.

In Wisconsin, it goes into health care and pension benefits to public sector union employees. Fortunately in Wisconsin, we have a governor that has a backbone that is trying to put a stop to it.

IMO that may be what karmarat was trying to convey.

Which in Wisconsin with the budget repair bill it change from a state over a 3 million dollar deficit to a balance budget, or one that is manageable.

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03/23/2012 9:25 AM

It's not simple, that is my point. Open your eyes, and comprehend the massive corporate control of government that has enabled the tax code to support oil, and the infrastructure of energy and transportation. Your personal taxes are being collected in lieu of corporate taxes. Why don't you have an issue with oil company subsidies and tax credits, or absurdly low priced oil leases with no royalty clauses, or military intervention in the Middle East to keep spigots open, or the lack of environmental fees charged to petroleum producers that actually reflect the damage and regulatory cost passed on to consumers, etc etc. The Republican mantras of no regulation (even now, reluctance to even talk about Glass-Steagall and financial malfeasance, in fact wanting even less regulation) are sticking it to all of us, and somehow, they've sold it to people who are most likely to get the shaft, like you. I take my hat off to a good scheme when I see one. Hats off.

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03/23/2012 9:44 AM

Why are you so objectively combative.

I am the one that said that this is too complicated to be solve with a few post on a blog site.

As far as me not having an issue with big oil, low priced oil leases, subsidies....ect, I do. What makes you think I don't.

You try to roll it into a intelligent quip solution. such as:

'military intervention in the Middle East to keep spigots open,' but your failing at it.

you don't even know why we were there in the first place, do you?

'I take my hat off to a good scheme when I see one.'

Really, explain this scheme, you just raked kramarat over the coals about what taxes pay for the protect of our way of life. Can you back this up, or is that just a subjective opinion that's hypocritical and depends on the mood your in.

Heck, I'm not happy with the people running in our political party's (that is sponsered by big business and unions) or what kind of scheme they may have, I'm disappoint in both all party's.

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03/23/2012 10:32 AM

He works in the government.

I'm guessing that this is how he reaches the conclusion that big government= a great way of life. It's true....................................for him.

No early retirement and nice pension here..................I'll be working until I die or am unable.

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03/23/2012 10:39 AM

He works in the government.

That alone explains alot about what appeared to be talking from a fence and taking both sides.

No early retirement and nice pension here..................

if it makes you feel any better, I hope you work till your 100, cuz your not alone.

I had mentioned about the political upheaval in Wisconsin about the collective bargaining issues here. Pensions and Healthcare is a burden to the tax payer when one is a nanny state.

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03/23/2012 10:59 AM

I've never been employed by the government. I am President of a small company I started 8 years ago. We have 10 employees. We are builders and designers of energy systems. I bet I'm a lot like you. I'm not going to work until I die if I can help it, so I save as much money as I can, but I do have a son in college and a daughter in High school. Government can keep business from taking advantage of you, of despoiling the environment, they must provide transportation infrastructure,military, higher education facilities, scholarships, protect you from employers who have unsafe working conditions,provide healthcare for those who can't afford it. .

The last 10 years practically bankrupted this country. Our infrastructure is shameful. Our military is exhausted. Our leaders are unwilling to work together. Guess I am bitter, but it seems so blatant, and it's vitally important that this populist movement of deregulation be exposed for what it is, which is giving these large corporations (oil, financial and military industrial complex, primarily) carte blanche to write the legislation that enables them to make the most money with the least risk. It's downright un-American.

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03/23/2012 11:12 AM

we're all bitter about where government is headed, some we agree with, some not.

But control your reactions to a more productive response. Otherwise your be eating your words and lose credibility.

I would be careful about stating:

'carte blanche to write the legislation that enables them to make the most money with the least risk. It's downright un-American.'

I like Calvin Coolidge quote:

"After all, the chief business of the American people is business."

its out of context because it actual goes on to say what we are talking about;

I agree, about large corporations, (too much of an monopoly) being so big we can let them go bankrupt.

I'm sure we both can agree that there has to be accounablity here.

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03/23/2012 12:15 PM

My mistake. You sound like someone that works in government.

I think you've mistaken me for someone that is calling for deregulation across the board. Not true.

It's become completely out of hand though.

We've got appointed czars that are able to make sweeping rules and regulations, completely outside of congressional approval, and based solely on their own personal philosophy of what is right and wrong.....................it's killing us.

What do you think funds the U.S. Government. It is taxes, borne by citizens and corporations. What you call nothing is no less than insuring your way of life.

Comments like this will always get my goat. My way of life was insured by the Constitution, which was written by a bunch of people that had escaped a tyrannical government. The current government uses tricks and czars to circumvent the Constitution. If they think that they are responsible for my way of life, they are hopelessly delusional. They are stripping away our freedom incrementally by the day. There doesn't seem to be many of us that have noticed.

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03/23/2012 2:11 PM

Who, in reality, pays those "corporate taxes"? It does not come from their profits- when corporations are taxed, they view it as a cost of doing business, and pass it on to the consumer. Raising corporate taxes does nothing but increase the cost of living of the rest of us...

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03/23/2012 2:15 PM

not you gave the government a new item to tax.

Its called the Profit Margin Tax.

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03/23/2012 9:14 AM

My way of life is being usurped by the government, and the cost of continuing and growing it's influence has become unsustainable.

Yes, I pay income taxes, sales taxes, property taxes, gas taxes, yearly registration fees.................................the list is endless. Government does not see decreasing it's size and scope as an option, only increasing it's revenue.

How can you be mystified by that?

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03/23/2012 2:08 PM

I am a tea party conservative who supports Romney, as many of us do. We do need good, simple regulation to control the crooks though. History has taught us that many businessmen and financiers are crooks, just as the guy who would steal your car. I would like to fill the prisons with them. I would even let go of a lot of the druggies, to make room for them. Promoting fair competition is a good role for government. What we have is a government that gets in the way of us utilizing our national resources. Cronyism is rampant by both parties. I see transparency in government and industry as vital to honest competition. The web can help enable us to all keep track of graft and corruption.

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03/23/2012 2:18 PM

I agree, and your politics don't even matter. Both, politicians and big business have proven time and again that they are very susceptible to greed, power and dishonesty.

I get particularly concerned when politicians and big business climb into bed together, as we are seeing now.

You will never hear me call for zero regulations.

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03/26/2012 12:04 PM

You might be available in Battle Hymn by John Scura. It gives the big picture on all the Big Brothers of the world, and how they control the world. The digital version is only $7.99 and can be read on the web reader they have for free. It is a real eye opener. You have a lot of company, in people who resent the degree of control that is all around us in the USA. It is much better in many parts of the world, but much worse in some others. Follow the money, and who controls it. The big money, in cooperation with politicians, and dictators run the world. It is basically economic fascism, recently called cronyism.

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03/22/2012 5:57 PM

Is that is why the real estate bubble worked out so great for everyone? Creating artificial bubbles in oil, housing and tech stocks are largely the fault of speculators. Then comes the crashes and everyone else suffers, aside from the manipulators, who know when to get out. That includes many of our politicians and their cronies. Remember the "Peak Oil" bubble?

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03/22/2012 5:25 PM

I understand that we have a lot of time, but I am ashamed that as modern of a society as we are supposed to be, we are so reliant as we are on fossil fuels. I am reliant on them myself, and am trying to reduce my consumption as much as feasible possible. I still look forward to altenative resource advances. Sometimes I feel that fossil fuels are kind of primitive. Let's keep working at a healthy planet one step at a time.

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03/22/2012 8:16 PM

"Sometimes I feel that fossil fuels are kind of primitive..." Yet, we have only been using them for a very short time, compared to how long we have been using, for example, solar energy. For most of our 200,000 years or so of existence as a species, we relied almost entirely on solar-based energy sources for all of our energy needs. Archaeological evidence suggests that coal has been used by us humans for something like 2300 years (long after we abandoned our "primitive" life styles and started forming formal civilizations). True, within about 1500 years of the first recorded use of coal by a Greek source, the King of England found coal use in London as a primary heat source to be so obnoxious that he issued a decree banning the burning of coal in London.

That's something like 99% of our history we did without fossil fuels. Next, we see that humans started using petroleum-based products as a primary energy source in the 1880's, after a Canadian turned the Russian-invented cracking process into a commercially viable alternative. Petroleum products only displaced King Coal as the primary fuel in the 1950's, about the same time the first nuclear power plants were being put into ships by the US Navy. So, we lived without oil and its derivatives for about 99.8% of our history...

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03/22/2012 6:04 PM

I agree that these are all good sources of energy, but I doubt that they can compete with cheap and clean natural gas in our lifetime. I have been a biofuel buff since the Peak Oil false theory. I saw the light when the oil and gas companies couldn't hide the truth anymore.

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03/22/2012 6:05 PM

I still think old energy sources can make a difference. I'm talking human limbs -- especially legs. If we all used bicycles more (and adapted our schedules to make sure one is included) there would be a significant impact. How much, is hard to determine, but I think, probably as much, or more, than changing the type of light bulbs in one's home. And time spent on a treadmill or exercise bike which charged an array of batteries might be enough to run a few of the smaller appliances in one's home -- like computers or TVs. Especially if we used the technology from this other thread.

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http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/292914/how-stop-putting-gas-islamist-tank-clifford-d-may Methanol is another option. This article explains why we should drive the price of oil down.

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