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Backup Time of UPS

07/24/2012 10:19 AM

Suppose I have two units of 10 kW single phase UPS with backup time of 30 minutes that supply two different loads:

- 5 kVA load with pf 0.8

- 5 kW load with pf 1

Which load will drain the ups faster?

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Re: Backup Time of UPS

07/24/2012 11:18 AM

Switch off the mains and measure it.

What do the original commissioning records say?

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07/24/2012 11:37 AM

Er, wouldn't it depend upon the condition and state-of-charge of the batteries at the moment of mains disconnect? Are these batteries new or what?

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07/24/2012 11:46 AM

And, are you powering both circuits at the same time?

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07/24/2012 11:57 AM

...and is this 30min backup time governed by a pre-programmed timer within the UPS?

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07/24/2012 12:23 PM

The second.

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07/24/2012 5:39 PM

First up, If the 30min is due to software settings in the UPSs, they will both go offline at 30 mins.

Your first load is 5kVA X 0.8 = 4kW

Your second load is 5kVA X 1 = 5kW

Now that the values are the same, you should be able to work out which will drain first.

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07/24/2012 11:02 PM

With voltage level of 220V

The second load will draw 5kW real power (I=22.72A)

The first load will draw 4kW real power (I=18.18A) + 3kVAr reactive load (I=13.63A) with the same magnitude of 22.72A.

My question is: does the 13.63 A of reactive load give different result compare to 4.54 A difference of the real power?

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07/25/2012 6:32 AM

Well, it does rather depend on the resistance of the downstream cable:

  • Are all the connections tight?
  • Is it correctly sized?

Has the experiment been carried out yet?

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07/25/2012 12:01 PM

Thank you all for the comments, but maybe I have to rephrase my question.

The rating of the UPS is 10kW/12.5kVA 30 minutes of backup time, that is equal to 6.25 kVAh.

Can I say that, with 5 kVA load, regardless of the pf, the backup time should be 1 hour and 15 minutes?

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07/25/2012 12:57 PM

I think this paper should clear up any confusion.

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