New Patent Oct 2012 Home Wind Energy

Well to be fare! I came here to help get information out to the communitys' that want to do more than slander others that are willing to take the heat for doing something more than talk about the environment.

Just because some has a disablity doesn't mean that they can't use what God gave them, the ability to think and some the wisdom to use what they have learned in school ( HIGH SCHOOL) 1969. Surely schools haven't regressed.

No I don't think any body is a fool, Maybe hard headed , speaking without thought and being rude to others must the thing nowdays. REALLY You are a bullie I guess.

I also came here becaues I thought that maybe here would be people that have some wisdom in feilds of importance, Engineers of thought. NOT engineers of rudeness.

Its not hard to see heat from anything that goes up, & why the wind blows, Its simple sceince or weather.

Sometime someone needs to get people thinking about what happens around them each day without thinking about (WHY) does this happen?

Just stop it, won't you? There are a number of people on this forum who are disabled in some way, some quite seriously, so please stop rabbiting on about your misfortunes and waving them under folks' noses, k?

They don't.

"Well to be fare! I came here to help get information out"

These people may be interested:

Free Energy - Freie Energie - energia libre - OverUnity.com

The Tom Bearden Website

overunity generator plans

Once again, good luck with the project. I hope to read about you, someday, in the business news.

Daz right. We'll show that Unity who's boss!

Sometime someone needs to get people thinking about what happens around them each day without thinking about (WHY) does this happen?

The work of science has been to see what happens and discover (WHY). (What's with the weird capitalization and punctuation?) It seems unhelpful to go back to the days when we simply said that the winds were the work of Aeolus.

Few people will download PDFs (and especially .doc files) from your site, for fear of contracting viruses. Without those files (and perhaps with them -- I can't say) it is hard to say if your idea has any merit. From appearances, it seems to be another thermal wind tower idea. Ground heating produces vertical movement, and horizontal movement to fill in. Whether to harvest the vertical movement or horizontal movement relates to economics. In many locations, conventional windmills are a good choice. In some locations with a lot of solar influx but low winds, creating a local artificial wind can work well:

I second the opinion of others that your website works against getting your idea out. The odd graphics and the lack of available information drives people away. The requirement for a 20 year ND agreement (alluded to in this thread) is ludicrous and would be signed by no one with any sense at all. Anyone who would sign such a thing is almost by definition a swindler, taking advantage of anyone who would naively think such a thing enforceable.

Your posts here are counter-productive. It is often better to say nothing at all than to say things that make you appear unstable. If you want to get your idea across here, then get some help in describing it in detail, and start a thread on the subject. It is probably through no fault of your own that you make so little sense, and I gather that this is part of your disability. My heart goes out to stroke victims. Just as people who cannot walk use wheel chairs, people who cannot communicate can seek help from those who can.

(What's with the weird capitalization and punctuation?)

Kenny provides the answer to that one in #116 - he uses paratheses as a marker for emphasis, where most would use capitals or bold.

Ken Fry: I applaud your patience and willingness to help.

kenny: If you can look at the comments here, you will see that none are a personal attack on you, they address your idea, or what you have said here - that is they respond to your actions. As such, none of them can be taken as an attack on your disabilities, particularly as none of us who know you only through this thread were aware of them at thr start.

I am sorry for your troubles (even if I don't know the details) but they do not give you a right to be rude to others, any more that others may discriminate against you because of them.

Several people have urged you to start a new thread to discuss your ideas - may I suggest you do this, and post a link here to be sure we see it, and let us all start again in the usual spirit of CR4: open and honest debate on engineering matters.

Yes ! we have a winner. It is hot air that makes the system work! that's why in it's name the word Thermal has the symbals ( ) around it. to show importantance. Hot air does what? it rises up. Now think of a yard art spinning in the wind & take a cone shape and place the small end pointing at the yard art, WHAT happens. Verry cleaver of you. I know that wasn't the ideal you had , But again without thought & very rude.

Thanks for giving others the thought.

Kenny,

You've completly lost me there. What does yard art have to do with hot air rising?

Please use spell check.

Good luck with the project, whatever it is.

I'm not sure what your native tongue is, but in English, parentheses, or brackets, ( ) as you describe them, are used to indicate that something is an aside to the main point. They do not emphasis a word, they are points of punctuation that do the precise opposite.

While we're on punctuation, the word "it's" only ever means "it is". The pronoun "its", when used where "his" or "hers" might properly be used, does not have an apostrophe.

Before you start ranting about how "rude" this post is, I suggest you read back through the post of yours to which I am replying and see how much ruder yours is. This post gives factual information to correct mistakes in your post without the crowing, self-important tone your post employs. Talk to us properly, in a thread of your own, and you'll find people are a lot more helpful. Not all of us have JOAT's patience.

Hi Kenny

As someone who actually works in the industry in the fields of wind, solar, natural gas, environmental engineering and R&D (your target market as far as I can see) I had a look at your website (briefly) and it looks like you have only a vague (unproven) idea pieced together from existing designs and concepts and want the backing of others to do the engineering work and supply the funding.

Ignoring the 20 year none (sic) disclosure agreement (which is TOTALLY ridiculous in this case and needs to be removed) and the obvious spelling and formatting mistakes (you really, really, really need to fix as they make the documents look VERY amateurish, and this is vital if you want your target market to take you seriously - which are professional engineers and managers with access to large checkbooks), I don't think you will get any takers from the power industry.

Have you considered concentrating on partnering up with an actual engineering firm first to assess the design and build a scale sample for proof -of-concept? It seems you are trying to put the cart before the horse with regard to public awareness, regardless of the fact that elements of your design are based on proven technology.

_{Jack - works in the power industry}

It seems that you are not up on emerging renewable technologies in the world.

The system has already proven in labs around the world & is only now being understood what makes it work from thermal heat transfure systems in 1 structure.

The system is NOT for sale It is given away! But only to a community with the 20 year none disclosser to keep out big money.

If you did read the site then you should know that I am a reteired vet with disablities and really don't care what you think, Others have meet with me and can see after meeting what is involved.

I have kept OUT BIG money for a reson! some time when looking for some thing we tend to look so harrd we can't see whats infront of us.

Any way thanks for your lack of important input.

He flushed you out, Jack. Better give up while you're ahead.

Based on your comments (and I am trying to help here and be positive, really) I am concerned that you may not be who you say your are. Let me explain, for example

1) You keep on mentioning you are disabled, even thou we didn't bring it up, as some sort of defence or bias. This is unimportant.

2) You mention you are a retired army vet with over 40 years of experience in renewable energy research (you mention in a previous thread) but your website looks like it was written by someone far younger who writes English as their second language and doesn't bother to use a simple spell checker (apologies if your disability is head related which may partly explain this). Even your website link on CR4 has a spelling mistake preventing the link from working.

3) Your websites information and way it is written and your followup comments look and feel (to me) like those of free energy scammers and pseudoscience (or just plain unrealistic) inventors I have dealt with previously on CR4. I have provided a lot of technical assistance and advice to these people and got burned every time (see numerous previous threads over the years on CR4).

What have you got against big money (apart from the fact they employ Engineers and Scientists, unlike the home owners association).

A lot of the technology you mention is already patented, available and being used, so why the talk of keeping your system under wraps from big money companies with 20 year ND's while plastering it on a website with enough information to allow reverse engineering of the simple to understand concepts with no legal recourse if big money companies wanted to?

Sorry, but this just doesn't feel right to me. Perhaps you should start a new thread on the subject of your energy generation proposal for further advice and guidence from CR4 members (if that is why you are here).

PLEASE fix the spelling mistakes on your website and get rid of the repeated picture on every page of your documents (or set it to a light watermark to make the text more readable) as it will really help convey your ideas better.

Well JACK!

Appartly you aren't very knowledgeable of miliatry injuries nor lack of help from thoese that do have the money to get involved.

The systems that are combined are not in use anywhere, The HOW to Is not known in 1 structure. Yes I am Disabled vet. As far as a link. CAN YOU SPELL

renewablethermalwindpower Then you can read all the information on the site, Yes it has miss spelled words. So what you can't think of the rest of the sentance of the meaning.

GREED from most is why I don't want them to get involved! This systems is not in USE ANYWHERE.

All you need to know is there to make contact to any one that has the smarts & talant to help without greed, Then do so.

I have posted here in the past & left because of RUDE people then & now.

Well I hope all had a real good time putting down some one with real intent.

You say, "This systems is not in USE ANYWHERE."

Then how in blazes do you know it will work????????????????????

Please offer some evidence, not lame statements such as you did earlier, "It's common knowledge of facts from proven world wide research unv."

I guess you must believe this will work. Well, as W.C. Fields said, "everybody's got to believe something. I believe I'll have another drink."

Good luck! <unsubscribe>

Unfortunately I ran out of time in my previous post and so lost the revisions regarding your stroke that was mentioned in another thread. Also please bare in mind that I have been burned by a number of people who made claims about themselves that were totally false upon closer examination, afterall you can pretend to be anything on the internet and all you can go on is the information provided and way it is provided.

Perhaps you should seek local help with both your campaign and your website which really, really needs to be fixed because it makes you look like a pseudoscience loon, and that may appear to be the case here.

Thanks for the lack of real (questions).

You are proving to be quite a troll. This is called shooting yourself in the foot. Although your idea might not be well-received here at CR4 (where people tend to ask for real data), you are welcome to post about it in the commercial space. It is not OK to hijack a thread, however, which is what you are doing here. Even if your idea has merit, you are creating skepticism even before we know what your scheme is. (Your avatar makes it appear to be a solar updraft tower idea, which can have some merit.)

Asking real (questions) (was that your intended punctuation??) about your concept in this thread would be considered rude.

I suggest that before you start ranting at me, you actually read who said what on this thread. I made no mention of you and Fast Eddie being the same - that was tcmtech. I referenced two different users employing the same "coffee" avatar.

I haven't asked you any questions since you have said nothing that interests me and this is not your thread. Any questions I've had about Fast Eddie have been covered by my fellow CR4ers before I got to the thread.

If all you intend to do is insult other forum users, may I respectfully suggest you refrain from posting anything that is not in its entirety factual.

That 'Fresh Coffee' thingie is one of CR4's stock avatars.

I thought it might be. Thanks for checking

So, which one got the patent? [the plot thickens...]

"Well, this thing doesn't make enough power to thin out the gene pool."

I was so hopeful, too.

I desided to toss this question at him on his eBay listing.

"Dear grumppyy,

How are you generating 216 KWH a month from a simple ventilation turbine? Got some actual math and physics to back that claim up?

This appears to be nothing more than an overly obvious and way over priced AE wind power scam to me. "

and then got this answer.

"ok smarty in medium wind turbine going 400rpms to 500 rpms makes from 200 to 350 watts now using a 300 watt inverter times 24 hours is 7200 watts or 7.2kwh Right???
7.2 watts times a 30 day month is 216 kwh now go look at your bill and say how bout that. he has it and i dont. is that ok. 4 years of testing to satisfy my patent attorney. better get your three while you can. "

Nuf said?

Average yearly wind speed in Phoenix AZ is 6 MPH.

Couple that with the fact that in the summer this fan will be operating at probably 150-180°F and be exposed to copious amounts of blowing dust I see no future in this as anything more than a curiosity.

I live in Mesa. too.

Oh, and just for the record, the wind never blows 24 hours a day here.

Good luck.

eddie,

Does this mean you are not going to give CR4 a link back from ebay?

This product has produced more grins than a new pair of pants with the pockets cut out. I appreciate the technical aspects of this idea, I use turbine vents on my house but 400 RPMs would be a cause to duck and cover. That is without any additional loading.. As Monty Python said " Run away - run away". Here is the latest reply from our favorite source of disinformation.

no UL LISTING BECAUSE #1 I don't have a building with an assembly line for the three exasminers to watch for $9000. #2 the motors are hand wound and assembled.and same as #1 #3 the inverters come from china as the cost of usa made inverters start at $800. now would you pay 4,000 to save 40 bucks a month?

- grumppyy
The question was: I dont see that there is a ul listing on this item. How many amps does it generate??

The question was: I dont see that there is a ul listing on this item.

I doub't it has UL certification given the serious safety concerns raised in post #59.

_{Jack - Worked in a test lab (which is now owned by UL by the way), white coat, the works.}

From:

UL | Background and Facts FAQ

Manufacturers submit products to UL for testing and safety certification on a voluntary basis. There are no laws specifying that a UL Mark must be used. However, in the United States there are many municipalities that have laws, codes or regulations which require a product to be tested by a nationally recognized testing laboratory before it can be sold in their area. UL is the largest and oldest nationally recognized testing laboratory in the United States. UL does not, however, maintain a list of the jurisdictions having such regulations.

WTF did I just spend a 1/2 hour reading through?

Man, I must really need a distraction.

Jeeeezus!

Much better way to kill some time = physicsgames.net