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Electric Boiler

10/15/2012 6:58 PM

Hi All,

anyone have CCM Sulzer electric boiler manual, this is 2nd hand boiler from France, and I have no idea how to connect the boiler electrode into the government Power, is it using the transformer to connected or not. This boiler tank capacity from name plate is 32 bar at 40 mW of power, Should I replaced the electrode if I want to reduce the capacity of that boiler to only 8 bar?. Thank you

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10/16/2012 1:37 AM

If by "electrode" you mean the ignition device (actually a pair of electrodes), then they connect to the secondary of the ignition transformer. Changing the boiler pressure should make no difference; keep the electrode pair as is.

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10/16/2012 9:28 AM

Thanks for your answer, is that anyway that we connect those pairs of electrodes directly to the government power which is 11 kV 3 wire systems. my previous engineer has approved proposal like that without any transformer in between?. this is my confusion. best regaards

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10/16/2012 7:15 AM

Perhaps one of these standards documents would help?

IHS Standards Store: "electric boiler"

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10/16/2012 9:29 AM

Thanks

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10/16/2012 10:34 PM

Seriously!!! You're going to connect 11kV without really understanding what you're doing and why. Find someone who is qualified and pay them to sort this before you come to serious harm.

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10/16/2012 10:41 PM

No!! Let him go, someone has to make those you tube videos of what not to do!!

" and that little johnny, is why you dont lick power points"

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10/16/2012 11:06 PM

You're right!!!!! How silly of me to try to deprive the Darwin Awards of another entry

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10/17/2012 3:00 AM

I assume you mean element rather than electrode ?? You have not given us enough detail to be able to even know what your boiler is, let alone being able to advise you what is required to install it

Your lack of knowledge is a sure sign that you should employ a qualified person to install this boiler before you kill some poor bystander or even yourself !

But if you insist on DIY get some 1 to stand well back & take a video of what you do & show us your results in operation I'm sure every 1 here would enjoy watching it.

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10/17/2012 3:38 AM

SUlzer electric Boiler:

Do you meam that it is an Electrode Boiler? (a boiler which is heated by using electricity via 3 electrodes (if 3 phase) or 2 electrodes (if 2 phase only ??) ).

This also means that you are not using any king of FUEL for heating the boiler.

Please clarify.

Also, 32 bar at 40 mW means nothing. You have misread or ???

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10/17/2012 4:42 AM

I assume he meant MW

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10/17/2012 7:47 AM

Yes, boiler using the electrode to get the steam, and it is 40 mega watt

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10/17/2012 6:26 PM

Well, then it is an electrode Boiler.

The Electrode will be connected directly to the 3 phase supply, usually through a contactor. The pressure inside the boiler will depend on how long the power is connected ON and the consumption.

The pressure is regulated with a pressure-Stat setting. Also, the level of the water inside the boiler (how much of the electrodes is submerged), will dictate the amount of current flowing (== the amount of power being absorbed ).

Waouou, quite a big unit for an electrode boiler to be sized at 40 Mega Watt.

Now, whether you need a step-down transformer or not depends on the manufacturer's design.

You can guess if you have to connect 11kV directly to the electrodes or not by looking at the control panel to see what type of contactors are used to connect/disconnect the electrodes. For 11kV supply, the contactors will have to be bulky and well protected /isolated for that voltage.

Since you seem to have a transformer, is it a step-down from 11kV to 400V?

And what is the transformer's power rating: 40 MW ??

The electrodes will have to be well spaced for 11 kV.

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10/17/2012 10:43 PM

Thanks for your info Lucke, seem our electrode boiler connected directly to 11 kV, and we only get 3 phase, 3 cable system from the government power, How is the grounding system for this boiler, if we make separate grounding system for that electrode boiler but at the end the grounding will connected to mill ground by steam pipe, is that harm if I doing like that. Thanks

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10/18/2012 5:35 AM

I cannot advise you 100% on the grounding system that will be most suitable for your installation. You better check with a local engineer or Pro.

What I can advise on is that the body of the boiler should be earthed with a separate and dedicated earth pit (or equivalent) but you must also make sure that the 11kV supply has a grounding at the 'government' side, (which is supposed to be ), and that there is an adequate tripping device to disconnect the supply in case of a fault.

This is very important. 11 kV supply is not trivial!

The steam pipes, connected to the boiler will be at earth potential, like the boiler, and you should have some other earthing done in the factory, on the steam pipe supply.

You need a good electrical engineer, expert in that field, to have a look and advice on this issue. What I gave you is a minimum to make sure you understand and protect the people working there, only until you get a better advice, locally.

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10/17/2012 4:29 PM

Wow! 40 mW of power is a very very very tiny boiler.

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10/17/2012 10:58 PM

Yes, it is only for small paper machine

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10/17/2012 4:37 PM

An electric heating element is not the same thing as an electrode. I'm not sure a 40 MW electric boiler is any more credible than 40 mW.

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