Common Natural Power Not Realized

WOW ! after reviewing thread replies , I had a UH ha moment. It seems to some can't see any substance & facts in science already known but yet get upset when all questions brought up in replies can't take time to see whats disclosed.

The Gubbish documents like my profile is disclosed in the sites first items doc's.

Some say no hard facts on this systems name, apparently are looking for something thats not there? It clearly states in all documents this is in phase 2 @ step 1 construction .( as a engineer what does )? in any project mean when phrased in this manner.( clearly still in completion phase.

The title merrily states common known naturals that have fact sheet, and the use of what they are in depth & how to use them is what this thread's discussion form is for bringing them to lite.

Sometimes it takes some more than a couple of glances to understand sometimes up to reading a couple pages putting it down & give some thought to it & re-read it before they get the UH_HA moment.

When posting any replies don't insulted your self and blame others when it's pointed out by them.

Now lets get back to a thought out QUESTION what if and work together to stimulate questions instead of smart ("?><!") replies doesn't help but show lack of learning & only insults to those participating.

There may be a future in this idea. By its nature, it will be expensive, and nobody I know would be willing to invest the couple million it would take to create a pilot plant. I figure I would like to see an example of one in action...say a smokestack in an unused factory. Put a wind generator in the base of it and see what power you get out of the smokestack. Lots of smokestacks around the US not being used! Why do you suppose there is no tornado wind happening when the sun warms the stack late in the day? Or maybe there is...anybody here on CR4 have a smokestack in their plant which does this?

however my original question still remains...WHAT DO YOU WANT FROM US? An evaluation of whether it will work? An evaluation on whether it will work well enough to provide a return on investment? There is nothing on your web site which would be specific enough to evaluate in any way, and so virtually all of the experienced engineers here simply dismiss you out of hand. Think about that...the combined experience of all the engineers who have weighed in on this topic likely exceed a couple of centuries. This is a TOUGH CROWD!

So what do you want?

Yusef1 Wow & others, Look the understanding of the systems outlined are petty plainly states the cost & output of naturals in this systems make up by their self is not cost effective!

The published material's also show if combined can have a real in-pact to investment of such structure. This is not the thread discussion.

The discussion is on the understanding what is in it. Not any thing more on this thread line.

To all whom have engineering knowledge sometimes need to catch up on emerging technologies. Reteries and some layman know that things come( different way of thinking) new all the time.

The term Group is from your own words not mine & by no means that I feel the same way towards the CR 4 group in general.

The term closed minded was from responders them-self's Not from me.

SO whom is on the pestial NOW.

Get over it dude. I am not lowering myself to your tactic's. Self explanatory.

No, you are the one calling people close minded, No one else has. I have had enough of your crap. I am out of here.

Now that the bullies & smart ass"s are put in there place Maybe we can learn something. For those that want to learn what a simple thing is to what seems to be to much for some, Basics common sense approach. You can still check in sometime & see if you know something without getting a head ace or causing one.

StandardsGuy WOW & all CR4's apparently when starting this thread it seems when I through out words like : Closed minded, lack of common sense, so called group, did upset some that it was aimed for. For the others that didn't take offense , it wasn't ment for you. Really! As I have stated before I don't feel the same to all just some whom lack the things said. If it suites you then go with it & maybe you can see why it got to you.LOOK at the replies. some times maybe they don't realizes that they show how much it fits them when they are insulting themselfs by their own remarks in replies.

At least some jokes & smiles got through to all whom veiw this thread & their fellow CR4' to laugh out load .

Maybe you missed this question. You certainly did not respond to it in any way.

You actually responded by saying this instead...."Look at the understanding of the systems outlined are petty plainly states the cost of naturals in this system make up by their self is not cost effective". I have no freakin' idea what you mean by that statement. (anybody else get anything from this? I "think" he means that the cost of materials results in a system which is not cost effective. I dunno Kenny, have I got a handle on that?)

There may be a future in this idea. By its nature, it will be expensive, and nobody I know would be willing to invest the couple million it would take to create a pilot plant. I figure I would like to see an example of one in action...say a smokestack in an unused factory. Put a wind generator in the base of it and see what power you get out of the smokestack. Lots of smokestacks around the US not being used! Why do you suppose there is no tornado wind happening when the sun warms the stack late in the day?

(could it be there is a fundamental flaw in your concept? Just askin!)

however my original question still remains...WHAT DO YOU WANT FROM US? An evaluation of whether it will work? An evaluation on whether it will work well enough to provide a return on investment? There is nothing on your web site which would be specific enough to evaluate in any way, and so virtually all of the experienced engineers here simply dismiss you out of hand. Think about that...the combined experience of all the engineers who have weighed in on this topic likely exceed a couple of centuries. This is a TOUGH CROWD!

So what do you want from us? An audience? An evaluation? What?

OK! Not loaded! In general most of what you have stated in your facts of how things work, Simple knowledge. OK

Now step back and look in a deferent thought approach. Many can't seem where the thread title questions are applied to renewable energy. ALL OF THEM.

Again the cost of 1 known tech. Is not cost effective but close for output , do we agree that most of your replies on knowledge is correct but needs a closer look at the facts you state yourself are true, It's the how can we use it to help in total outcome.

You say( a smoke stack with a generator in the base, Some truth! most smoke stacks are ( stove pipe designs) & are not open on base for intake to natural wind updrafts. Agreed, Also the fans are mounted closer to the top not bottom. Yes the generator is at base not top.

TURN AROUND Fundamental flaws in your approach. Just saying

The cone shape does what? open large base going up angle Does what, (Narrows this increases the air flow and speed by what math can you see that applies. Now for the height of tower! we all know about a water or air type sprayer, as the power is applied the section draws the liquid out from the friction on the pickup tube. Now apply this to the top of the tower from the upper atmosphere winds.

Note the Glass skirt is a solar heat engine with, Same principle as a magnifying glass. Again need to look at the pic-to Graff picture Now apply thermal BASICs.

You know that when you have knowledge of how something works & others say BASIC the same but look at it differently. I really have agreed with your knowledge but step back a review you own post and see after this that is is the same. Now we are here for discussion on knowledge of what is in nature that we can use it and a better way to combine them not to be bullies & distract form knowing how.

Tough crowd, Not really just see things in a blind approach. Bullying is not part of being tough, Just hindering others.

"OK I hope all remember the snapper riding mower system ! the larger plate disc spun the smaller freewheel! Same exempale. OK. The same is true in kinetic to mach."

Not a clue about what means or refers to. I know what a basic friction disk type variable transmission is. Its one of the simplest ways to change gear ratios for variable speed and torque applications. Still no newly uncovered scientific or engineering mysterys in the design there.

Now how that relates to wind power well you got me there. I don't have a clue. Same as for the underlined part of your comment of Kinetic to Mach.

Are you referring to kinetic energy levels and speeds of sound as they relate to Mach numbers? If so once again you are using the wrong technical descriptions and units that do not interchange.

Its the cryptic and poorly explained/defined stuff like this that is causing so many people to give you flack about everything. It comes off sounding highly uneducated and to be honest rather simple and foolish sounding at minimum.

Wow OK. first line. ref (basic function of the variable slide transmission) Really we know as it is moving from center out it speed is increased, Agreed. try this at home take a airnozel & a yard art spinner, now take a fan any kind medium speed facing yard art lets say 3-5ft away note how fast the spinning is. Now take a straw this ref to a stove type smoke stack. does the yard art spin any faster. Now take a large oil funnel same setup with the larger end farcing fan & small end facing yard art, See the outcome, Now apply the BASICs to the pic-to Graff of this system & apply.

Now we all agree that with a air nozzle hits a suffice of a fan can be pin pointed to a location on (ref a disc area) the farther out the faster it spins & closer to the centerer it slows down. I think we agree on this Right. kenitices to mechanical wind nozzles pointed on fans in the top of the structure) NOT levels of sound.

Could it be! this information is so intense to understand, After all it took me over 40 years to understand it so I don't expect you to grasp it in a couple days.

Some one stated that one needs a staff or group to get this to this point, YES you are correct, There was!

Some people have the basic understanding of the tech just need to step back a approach it in a new way to think about it from facts, AS stated in don't believe all you read on the INTERNET. Just apply common sense.

As requested of Admin: "Owing to the incessant babbling of the OP, this thread is going nowhere, and needs to be closed."

Thank you. Probably a first in getting a GA for asking to shut one down! But you got mine.

I hate to unsubscribe, for fear I might miss something good, but so far, despite all our best efforts, there just ain't been much of "somthing good" here.

So thanks for requesting an end to something bad.

Thanks. It now will get better, So at least stick around a little now we can have a discussion on the understanding of facts, Not from me but CR4's them self's some do have the knowledge but refuse to us it. Stay tuned.