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Large Plug With Non-Standard Thread

01/09/2013 5:56 PM

1960's building has pipes cast into concrete floor with threaded plugs, removable to allow utility service to equipment on floor from ceiling below. Need to find more threaded plugs for these pipes. The plugs are approx. 4.25" diameter, 16 threads per inch, very slight taper of about 1/8" to 3/16" per foot. They fit flush flush into the coupling on the pipe and are cast iron nominally 3/4" thick with 1" square recess for wrench to install/remove. Definitely not National Pipe Thread nor anything else I recognize. The pipes in the floor are about 10" long installed when the place was built, and are located as a rectangular grid across the entire floor area of the shop space (over 50,000 sq.ft.). The plumbing and electrical wholesalers do not recognize them.

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01/09/2013 6:10 PM

Could it be a BSP tapered thread?

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01/09/2013 7:15 PM

Does it look like this?Home

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01/09/2013 9:13 PM

RVZ717--I don't know what BSP tapered is, so I'll look that one up and see. Looked it up. NO. 4" BSPT is 4.45" diameter and mine is 4.25". BSPT is 11/inch and mine is 16/inch. BSPT is 1:16 taper and mine is closer to 1:50. Thanks for the suggestion anyway.

Lyn--It looks like the brass part of your picture. (But is cast iron--probably brass wouldn't have the physical strength to survive potential point loads.)

Thanks for your quick responses, friends. --JMM

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01/09/2013 9:14 PM

If unable to locate exact replacement, then maybe a PolyEthylen or similar plastic bung could be made slightly undersize and "self thread" into the mating metalic part.

I suspect though that teh previous response has your answer.

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01/09/2013 9:21 PM

Just...

More likely they would have to send the sample to a machine shop to custom fabricate more. This is a "poke-thru" opening in a floor potentially subject to heavy traffic including vehicles and similar. Fortunately, it is NOT in an adjoining area subject to being sat on by passenger jet airplane wheels!

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01/11/2013 3:35 AM

I remember in the '60s we sent a "wheel" spanner (wrench for big valves on a steam ship) to a Hong Kong shop to make more of the same.

They made us a bunch of them, exactly as ordered, accurate even down to the hammer marks from heavy usage of the original one we sent in as a pattern......

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01/09/2013 9:50 PM

Are any letters or numbers visible on the plug or the mating part?

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01/10/2013 12:27 PM

Hi, Tornado,

No markings on the threaded plug. The insert in the floor is the inside of a female threaded fitting cast flush with the floor surface in the concrete. Not much hope--sorry. I have already traded emails with the manufacturer of electrical power receptacles for installation in concrete floors of airplane hangars and terminal aprons--he doesn't recognize it either.

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01/10/2013 10:57 PM

Sounds like a job for cnc!

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01/10/2013 11:20 PM

I think I found it: http://www.gewinde-normen.de/en/16-un-thread.html

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01/11/2013 2:59 AM

Try this site, looks like they have a variety of "access points" and plugs to suit.

http://www.wadedrains.com/html/7-10.htm

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01/14/2013 11:17 AM

jmueller these probably are flush cleanout plugs. They are a plumbing pipe fitting which have male pipe threads which are tapered. They fit inside a "fitting cleanout adapter". These plugs ailable in cast iron, brass, & plastics PVC and ABS. Available at hardware and plumbing supply houses. The one you have is a 4" size about 4-5/16" od.

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01/14/2013 10:21 PM

Roadapple,

We have been there and tried that. Plumbing and electrical share the same thread specifications--11 per inch (we are 16), 1" per foot taper (we are no more than 3/16" per foot and that much is in doubt), and are 4-3/8" pitch diameter (we are 4-1/4").

I wish it were as easy as your answer proposed. Thanks--Jmueller

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