Ionized Drinking Water

I thought that all water was already natural ionized.

Its the purposely deionized stuff that's bad for your health.

I was referring to people that are selling the machines , that claim to " ionize water " resulting in all kinds of health benefits , but would you explain further about natural ionization, thank you

I did a lot of Google searches on this about a year ago. It all seems to be one big scam. Companies make machines that filter and ionize water. They produce water that is no more special in ph or other properties than in many American cities. But, they claim huge health benefits.

The machines pushed on the Asian community (Asian women wanting the fountain of youth) about a year ago were being sold for about US$5K. They were probably worth about US$100 - US$200.

If you do a little checking many of the machines are sold by multi-level home based marketing. Everyone that recommends the machine to a buyer gets $200. Basically, people not directly on the companies payroll (thus you can't sue the company) get paid a lot of money to tell a profitable story.

Buy a good water filter for $150.

[ women wanting the fountain of youth ] -- ? usually your-self define what you're not the 3-rd party (the water in this case)

that part makes sense - there is a state of water (non-scientific / spirit memories) other than usual (i don't think i remember about this ... (in specific))

it has to do with no. 2 and perhaps 7 / ◄ likely linked on such tilted ascending line from it's molecular level - might be related to best fit molecular associates and their inter information exchange (it faintly denotes that such super-clustered water can act like a "Terminator" (the 2-nd gen. 1) - as and solid - being still liquid - donno - it's very far-stuff)

search youtube for [ diamagnetic levitation ] (the prev phenomena is present in spherical water bodies)

or google [ temperature levitated droplets of water physical properties ] (it likely drops it's temperature due strengthening electrical bonds - not sure)

the last 1 is (more) likely (to return) - the phenomena surveiled

http://www.wasser-biennale.org/data_all/Collective_Molecular_Dynamics_of_a_Floating_Water_Bridge.pdf -- may contain smth. (as and not)

(The average number of 'intact' bonds at a given moment is relatively high, although lower than in alcohols, for example. It is of the order of 60% which justifies seeing liquid water as a 3-dimensional network of hydrogen bonds, like a gel. But a gel with a life time of 1 picosecond (ps)! This means that in an 'instantaneous picture' of water structure (possible to obtain by computer simulations) one can identify local structures such as rings of 5, 6 or 7 molecules, ) if it's water the rings are the target from http://www.badscience.net/2000/01/journal-club-can-water-possibly-have-a-memory-a-sceptical-view/

De-Ionized water is used in quite a few of our processes, and is very destructive to copper tubing. The water will ionize itself with any salts, iron or copper it comes into contact with. It does not occur naturally and must be created with an ion exchange process. The one's claiming the benefits of "Ionized" water are selling BS

I'd just get an activated carbon filter and call it a day, if I were you.

i would never buy one, this discussion's purpose was to expose this topic to a friend who is bent on buying one, iI thank all for your input

To each their own. I think the expensive deionization systems are bullocks (just as everyone else), but I think water just tastes better from a Brita filter ($25 at most). They never claim to fully sanitize the water, and pulls only ~75% chlorine, and I think that there's a noticeable taste difference between what comes out of the pitcher and what comes out of the tap.

Of course, our city water composition is different from whatever you're drinking (pending what kind of municipality you have / well water / what have you), so the taste might be fine.

As for health reasons, I may be dumb in saying this, but isn't hard water better for you than soft water? Granted, chlorine isn't so great for us (obviously), but isn't the calcium / sodium / magnesium / etc. that is natural from hard water better for your health than soft water? Unless you're some sort of industrial machine, I guess, in which case you'd probably prefer the soft water.

As far as I am aware, the chlorine used to sterilize water will evaporate from the water if left to stand for a time (24 hours I believe), so that should not be a problem.

In the RN, when on route marches away from civilization, we took special tablets to sterilize water and waiting for the chlorine gas to evaporate was standard procedure, but I have forgotten exactly how long it takes....We could not always wait that long.....

It does arrive still in the water at the tap in some areas, in the UK for example, but just avoid drinking it immediately should work fine.

A Brita system should get all the rest of the bad stuff out without much trouble.

Can anyone else with more knowledge comment further on Chlorine?

I did find this website:-

http://environment.about.com/od/earthtalkcolumns/a/chlorine.htm

...which confirms the 24 hours to allow the chlorine to exit the water, but brings up some other concerns about reactions with other naturally occurring substances. The Brita filter is looking really good at this time!!!!!

Some water companies are moving to Choramine, which does not decay so readily within their pipework system and requires boiling to remove it and make it safe for marine life. This reduces the overall amount of chlorine (element) used.

I'm no expert on chlorine in water, but I'd say it's a great deal better to have a whiff of chlorine in the water than the bugs it's put in there to kill. Millions of deaths must have been avoided since chlorination started.

It's true that chlorine reacts with humus etc in natural water, producing potentially carcinogenic trihalomethanes. Years ago water straight from the source was given a good dose of chlorine, as it improved the downstream processes - coagulation, flocculation and settling but nowadays it's added further downstream when most of the muck has been removed.

Breathing gaseous chlorine of course is not a good idea, but I'm not aware that drinking water with a small residual does any harm, even if you can smell it (but somebody might correct me). Any nasties produced by the chlorine are there by the time it comes out of the tap, so unless the filter removes them along with the chlorine it doesn't help on that score.

I could not agree with you more. One of the major problems facing many nations is a lack of potable water. That combined with poor sanitation is one of the greatest killers in the world. Life expectancy was a joke. The history of London proves it beyond a doubt. I will take my chances on chlorinated water over any thing that I can get from a stream, marsh, etc. It was not uncommon for a farmer to toss that anthrax laden cow into the water shed. As for all those claims from the sheisters about DI water and or the change of angle in the covelent bonding is just pure bunk.

We have been drinking water as is, as long as we have been on this planet.

WERE NOT DEAD YET!

Indeed, centuries ago London had a major problem with drinking water.

It was for this reason that breweries sprang up to make beer, obviously, the beer had to be boiled before fermentation, which naturally sterilised the beer.

Keeping it in sealed casks meant that beer was the only safe drinking water available.

I like my beer today for the same reason, well almost!!

John.

Didn't Prince Albert die due to water born disease somewhere around London in the late 1850's or so? Not so long ago really!!!?

He did not live far enough upstream.

Beer and wine has been used for centuries as an alternative to water. What I was alluding too was one of the greatest civil engineering projects of the time. That was the installation of a sewer system for London. It was so well done that a large portion of it is still in use today. It prevented contamination of common use wells, not to mention the practice of using ones basement as a storage tank for effluent. Name any communicable disease, and most of them are water borne.

It is that Alcohol in it that is doing wonders to you. Good luck. Have some more of it.

I will mention that chlorine removal is enhanced by exposure to light, particularly UV light. One can take a container (that is essentially UV transparent, or at least marginally UV transparent) of tap water, place this in a window of strong sunlight, and in a matter of hours, I suspect there would be little or no detectable chlorine by DPD color test, or other.

Of course, shining a UV penlight into the water for an hour also works, as does carbon filtration. In selecting home carbon filtration, I would prefer one that utilizes a solid block of activated carbon, since better contact with the water results in better removal of organisms, chlorine, and heavy metals such as lead, copper, and possibly arsenic. Usually municipal water supplies monitor all these things, and take a substantial level of care to remove them to safe drinking water limits.

Thanks for the info, and clearing things up

So if water is "purer", then will it remove beneficial metals at the cellular level, ie: magnesium, iron, etc. (and also remove harmful metals like mercury)? Interesting subject.

No.

And to the comments saying DI (or for that matter, reverse osmosis) water is bunk- not quite true.

DI & RO water have been purified for a specific reason, be it industrial, needs medical purity, wanting a cup of tea without hard water scum or the simple fact you needed some water and the DI tap was handy. But they make NO difference physiologically when drunk apart from possibly removing things you didn't want in your water anyways.

By the time it has mixed with saliva and stomach acids prior to absorption into the body even the purest water is very well re-ionized!

For anyone mentioning molecular orientation or clustering of water- please provide verifiable documentation of this. Most people are familiar with the sort that happens around 0 degrees Celsius, but for none-temperature related claims I personally remain sceptical.

You may check with someone from Korea or Japan as they use a lot of ionized water for health. I have an ionizer that produces alkaline water in 4 different PH ratings. We use alkalized water to bring the body back to proper PH for health. There are quite a few brands of machines and the price is not indicative of quality as many are sold MLM so markup is high. Ionization supposedly conditions the water into molecular clusters of 6 atoms v/s 12 for better hydration and is also claimed to be good for rinsing contamination off of fruits and vegetables. It is a huge topic and you will get a lot of bad mouthing from persons that have not used one or know little of nothing about the advantages. All I am saying is I help people get their health back and this is but one protocol of many that we teach.

my mom (nature treatment consultant)::

• (some of below material originates from a japanese wiseman's book)
• deionized water is harmul
• boiled water is not recommended
• most beneficial is spring (!? or groundwater)
• the water improves quality when frozen and re-melted
• holding a glass of water in you hands 5-10' B4 drinking customizes it's structure 4U
• is recommended to keep wter in glass or crystal dishes (to avoid possible supplement solvents)
• keeping water exposed to sunlight (? improves it)
  
• there is a water "cleaning" product buyer who had to re-treat her-self during 1y after using the "clean water" ... and she's not fully cured from

me::

? in science sense (we had a product presenter) the (basicly) distilled water had to be passed through the mineral-salts filters (of your choice) B4 drinking - so you'd supplement back the minerals just being removed ((by distillation process) along with hazzardous traces) - so the - achived.liquid.chemical.composition.ions.sumOf() = recommended.drinkingWater.chemical.composition.ions.sumOf() - the salesman however couldnot point out the science studies that denote their acived liquid is safe to drink e.g. there just might be something little they do wrong

well the next goes to SciFi area for you (i will explain how)::

during the presentation - i ran a quick src.scan why this dude in our place
it returned something that there are folkus who try to get control of you*

basicly it's not the "water" but where the apparattus is made**

there is a possibility for a psychic** to tune to the drinker of "spec. pathed" stuff - whatever it's reasons were - tuning in to weak personality persons is more ... likely

so i remember (from far past spirit travel) a spec group* whom such profile would fit - they allocate S SSE Ca. or inland ? donno

// * -- can be targetting a spec. person or a group -- in last case the scanario would be anti man activity the reqirement of such is featured here & here

// ** -- each stuff is in time back-trackable to it's composite-origins -- basicly (in theory) each manufacture could control you - through their products

blha wla lah blaw law lah if you're 1 of competing spirits the prev. might be very real

Drinking "alkalized" water for health is also a scam, as is the entire cult built around it. Alkalized water raises the pH of the stomach. Stomach acid is the first line of defense against bacterial invaders, and diluting stomach acid also lowers digestive efficiency, which leads to nutritional deficiency. Nearly every disease in modern society has a nutritional component, and reducing the ability of the stomach to do its job means that not only will the body not absorb nutrient effectively, but the non digested food will provide a boon for harmful bacteria in the lower intestine, causing flatulence and possibly increasing the risk of certain cancers. As usual, scam artists are preying on the ignorant to sell their books and products and creating a cult of death and disease. It is the balance of potassium to sodium that regulates the pH of a healthy body.

Hate to burst your lack of knowledge bubble but in normal eating you eat lots of alkalizing foods such as all green leafy vegetables. The stomach is an isolated environment and compensates if needed for PH. Even apple cider vinegar, lemons , watermelon as well as maple syrup become an alkaline ash. An acid cell does not absorb oxygen and science has proven that a cell that is deprived of 35% of the required oxygen will become cancer and IF you can get it back to alkaline and provide the oxygen it will return to normal. Google it. Your body should be about 7.2-7.4 for normal function and this has nothing to do with the stomach. Every one of my successful cancer students alkalized first, then followed all the protocols that I provide and to date I am 100% on the ones that were good students. Most if not all pathogens require a acid ph to survive and spread. Same for cancer. Back in the 40's and before the first thing a good doctor did was check for acidosis. Then they corrected that condition and the patient got well. Simple and inexpensive but that does not fit into the medical industry presently in control. Good luck on your health.

Wow...ignorance is bliss. I guess you missed out on chemistry class, but that's typical of those in your cult. FYI, it doesn't matter how many times you repeat lies, they're still lies. There isn't a single scientific reference to anything you just posted, and a simple pH strip will prove the bigger point. Since you did, let's review just a part of your ridiculous post. Vinegar=acetic acid, lemon juice= citric acid, watermelon also contains citric acid. Just where do you get "alkaline ash" from this, and what reference, except that from your cult, even uses these terms? Go sell crazy somewhere else. This is supposed to be about science.

How many have you helped to heal? Nothing else to be said. Actions are always more profound than idle words. I will not suggest you do some research as I am sure it will never be started.

Actually, its not my business, but I've helped dozens to "heal", and never charged a dime. I don't have a book to sell, and I don't sell worthless supplements. I've been researching nutrition and exercise for more than 40 years. I'm NESTA certified in both, which is why I know that you're selling lies. I've also had occasion to debate several of your cohorts in multiple locations over the last 10 years, so I'm well versed in your pathology. Go ahead, write something else that makes you appear to be even more foolish.

The only impending medical "acidic" danger a physician would test for, as far as I know, is respiratory acidosis, which is caused by a depletion of oxygen and build up of carbon dioxide forming acid in the blood and comes from problems with the lungs (the alveoli to be specific - where oxygen and carbon dioxide are exchanged), not the digestive tract. Acid is normal in the stomach and the only "problem" that I am aware of (besides an ulcer) is when it regurgitates into the esophagus, but that is heartburn or acid reflux disease and is not an emergency, nor would it require "test", as a simple description of heartburn is sufficient for that diagnosis. If I am wrong, I'd like to know what the test is which you are referring to. Thanks.

I am told that cruise ships make their water by distillation of sea water (using waste heat from engines). The best distilled water, "deionized", is reserved for engine coolant. Then minerals are added to the water intended for human consumption. Sometimes crew members stay on board for half a year at a time, and drinking only distilled water would be unhealthy, so says the ship's engineer. Perhaps someone with naval experience can elucidate?

I understand that drinking water that contains no minerals can actually leach calcium from the system, and can have a deleterious effect on tooth enamel. On the other hand, RO water in some places is preferred over straight tap water due to undesirably high content of sodium, or other mineral content. If RO doesn't do anything else, it can definitely remove any "muddy" taste from municipal water sourced from lakes.

Water and juices can be pulsed ionized to kill pathogen. I think you are concerned about harmful radicals present in water due to contamination and perhaps their removal to some extent may be good. Water ions will find some equilibrium so unless you play in short time, you are not going to experiment yourself. UV irradiated water may have more ion for immediate use.

Time to leave as the Crazies are here, sadly....

Byeeeeee Folks.

continue what you were doing - don't let yourself be interrupted by random noise ((^MK .... ◄ this is not for nor about you "I love the republic - i love DMOCRACY..."))

After the latest responses directed at you, I have to agree; the crazy is among us.

more crazy stuff if you're really crazy fans

http://www.foundationsofmind.com/cycle-between.php -- so tiny text (i wont veryfy is noBulls) ?When you should study -- if you want to get some basics about mind/spirit travel - and how is possible to remember things later (i just assume it's about that - i haven't verified the site)

i donno ::

What does an Astral Projection feel like?

Awesome! The first thing you'll notice when you astrally project is that you seem to revert back to a truer version of yourself. A lot of the environmental problems that plague us go away, as does a lot of the stress and anxiety we deal with in our day to day life. Gone too are a lot of the biological factors such as clinical depression and hormonal problems (post pubescent horniness). You'll feel more like your true self than you ever have.

Secondly you'll notice that it may be somewhat similar to a dream state. There is a bit of confusion to start. What you want and what you want to do while in your physical body may not be the same as what you want and what you want to do in your astral body. This goes back to what I talked about before, becoming more like your true self. For instance, in my physical body I may want to seek out some key piece of spiritual information or I may want to find something that can tell me what the lotto numbers are going to be tomorrow. But in my astral body I find I'm more than amused hanging out in my bedroom doing back flips, because the fact that I can astrally back flip is BEEP cool! (extract from: http://robjo.wordpress.com/2010/03/27/astral-projection-and-out-of-body-experiences-an-faq/) -- /!\ 1-st of all i personally hadn't done this since ?? mid 80-s

THERE ARE MORE DANGERS THAN THERE IS NO DANGERS -- while you don't know about you're more likely to be/stay safe

i recommend (it's almost insist) if there are people whos life is related to your well being - you keep calling those folkus Crazy and don't let your's down

( email 'em your crazy you're crazy -- they gonna be soooo delighted (perhaps))

miss the 1-st link :: it's too "framed" -- not integral descriptions (just red the 1-st few lines) -- if you're surrendous worker bee - and like ??? carryng every1s weight on your shoulders -- you still may read it ( why they put such cr.p up)

i don't have to do this - i dont need to point out stuff for you that is not you - i don't need to extend your edu - i don't need to argue about whether there is something someone don't dare to look at

Wow, three responses for a comment that was not directed at you. Should I feel impressed or shocked? There is a freedom of speech. You have chosen to use it. Good for you. Call me a bumpkin for not getting getting it. I am not getting the point of your postings. Feel free to carry on your to attempts to enlighten me.

what if i feel more like 4 at the moment

... perhaps i play this game

when spirit Z UA there = 21 there (there's in time) you get H₂O here ◄ this feels like 3

bears 4

I just can't bear the thought of giving ci139 a GA since I don't know what planet he is on. But, I do like the picture of the bear on the ice.

I know stated I was out of here. But I could not resist.

How far did you drag the dead and frozen polar bear?

Obvious that I longer on the up take. I was hoping for a informed and scientific discussion. This will not happen in this blog. Therefore I am also out of here.

thanks pal (you triggered some cool finds)
^{http://www.4law.co.il/sasebo1.files/image033.jpg ~ http://www.forest.kyushu-u.ac.jp/staff/utsumi/BioPhotoArchive/Plant/tsukusiiwashajin.html}
they only make sense like together F;T the plant that is bent over water is to be like that coz it's learning ... to be like that (good if anyone does ;i (this is kinda hopless)) _{THE OTHERS KEEP AWAY -- not 4U}

Well, a few days late, which isn't uncommon for me. And as usual, a bit of an expansion in the discussion.

Serendipity... or as Jung termed it, synchronicity. On the way in to work this morning I caught a bit of common, programmed (scripted), radio, disc jockey banter. Filler material, about fish being affected by some chemicals in the water. I wasn't paying too much attention and promptly forgot about it, until I came across this thread a few hours later.

So I did a search and found what appears a root article about the issue. Interesting, to me. The implications for subtle alterations to our own behavior have to be considered.

Then, my mind also came back more to the subject at hand, except not dealing so much with Ionized water, but another, controversial safety issue -- fluoridation of water. Not consciously remembered as related to the fish article, but maybe synchronous, at some mental level, nonetheless, as it, too, deals with possible neurological influences -- due to water fluoridation. (Is the fact that the fish story is a water based story, also, synchronous?)

I came across a book about 3 years ago in a doctor's clinic waiting area entitled, "The Fluoride Deception." Why or who put it there, I can't say. It caught my attention, though, and I decided that would be more interesting than any of the magazines strewn around. I read enough to have the stage set.

The stage for the rest of the book gets set by the story of a young researcher, toxicologist Phyllis Mullenix, finds disturbing neurological research results, while working for the Forsyth Dental Center. As seems more and more typical, when results that are damaging, either physiologically, as bad PR or both, appear the research and researcher can become "lost." The author lays out much more "lost" information than the case of Ms. Mullenix.

Whether or not one thinks the issue is hype or not, the book is now free as a PDF and one can come to his/her own conclusions about the risk of fluoridation of water, if one is interested. There are also video interviews with the author in various places on the Web. Readers can do a search and find them, if they wish a preamble/summary to reading the book. I always think when a book is offered for free by an author that the likelihood of negative critiques isn't a consideration. Whether or not it is free now because of humanitarian safety concerns, who knows? It does seem plausible.

Assuming one does think it could be harmful to health, the question becomes how to eliminate it. This article details the treatment processes which work and those that don't.

As to the subject of the OP, I find this article/discussion helpful. Personally, I like to use distilled water for making coffee and other infused beverages because the taste, to me, is drastically different when compared to "tap" water. Otherwise, I do drink tap water often. That may be a mistake or not. But if I have any concerns about water quality, I think/feel I should address them to my local water authority. Ask for a water quality report, as it is a requirement that waste water treatment plants have to have them regularly and provide them to citizens who request them. I also drink bottled "purified" and sometimes "spring" water, even though many brands use a local tap water source. False advertising. I drink a mix of all of them. At my age and my circumstances, I am less concerned about the influence of water contamination on my health than younger folks, probably, should be.

Many people do have local water treatment devices in their homes, whether it be a simple filter, or an RO system, etc. I don't have any, but I, also, don't find the idea outlandish or impractical.

Brian Dunning of The Skeptoid seems to have reasonable comments.

Kangen Water - Change Your Water, Change Your Life.

http://skeptoid.com/episodes/4139.