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ClO2 (Chlorine Dioxide) Home Water Injection

07/21/2013 9:34 AM

I have been searching the net for a chlorine Dioxide injection system for home use with no positive results. Not all of my inquiries have replied but it seems that a small system is not available for some reason. I use C1O2 a lot but make it on demand for purification of water and I am familiar with home use of H2O2 injection systems as used on some farms in my area. Has anyone knowledge of a home system for metering Chlorine Dioxide?? Thanks

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Re: C1O2 (chlorine Dioxide) home water injection

07/21/2013 1:33 PM
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07/21/2013 3:46 PM

Thanks Eagle I did not find this on my searches looks promising. I am fully aware of the dangers of C1O2 especially under pressure. We make it as needed and simultaneously dissolve it in water. There is nothing better to disinfect without causing cancer causing agents than C1O2.

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07/22/2013 10:50 AM

There appears to be some confusion between Chlorine and Chlorine Dioxide, depending on the concentration it can be anywhere from a disease fighting protocol to an industrial bleach. 900 Municipalities use it in North America to purify water and it is recommended or mandated in swimming pools and spas where humans occupy. It is also about the only substance that meat and vegetables can be immersed in to control pathogens that requires no rinsing. The following is the FDA Clinical Evaluations on Chlorine Dioxide.

Yes it has handling difficulties but same is true for may other chemicals, I also realize that for disinfecting buildings and most applications it is produced on site under controlled conditions.

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07/21/2013 9:20 PM

Yes, as you stated Chlorine Dioxide is real nasty stuff. For example, when this country was going through the anthrax scares and actual incidents of white powder some was discovered in a postal site in Hamilton, NJ (near Trenton). This facility was immediately shut down to evaluate the conditions and then several months later ClO2 gas was used to sterile the facility. The first problem with doing this was to prep the building, without exposing personnel doing the closure to anthrax, for the sterilization. The next problem was to get the stuff into the building in the right places and prevent it from escaping from a building not intended for this type of treatment (numerous potential places to leak out) operation. Because of the size of the building and possible crannies the anthrax could have gotten into sterilization took several months. The ClO2 had to be generated on site as described above. The building was closed for well over a year to facilitate all this work.

Good chemical awareness is that if a gas is strong enough to kill anthrax then it won't have any trouble killing you.

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Re: C1O2 (chlorine Dioxide) home water injection

07/21/2013 5:07 PM

It's ClO2. (Lower case L, not 1.)

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07/22/2013 12:23 AM

Chlorine Dioxide is really nasty stuff, unless you are comparing it to what I initially misread in this Thread's title: Chlorine Dioxin..

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....makes Chlorine Dioxide seem down right palatable.

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07/22/2013 2:31 AM

For many great uses of chlorine dioxide, the last use for it should be in your water. It can have many health side-effects, especially when the injection of it is so close to home - much of the chlorine gas that is used in our municipal water treatment off-gasses from the water before it reaches our neighborhoods. For health side effects, see hormone disruption. I highly recommend UltraViolet sterilization for home and business use. It can even be used in ponds. It kills bacteria such as cryptosporidium, botulism and even algae. A post-U.V. (simple) in - line home filter, brita or sand filter if on a larger scale, removes the spores and cells, which clump together when dead. It's 100% non-toxic, low energy, inexpensive to run and they even sell versions to insert into your hot water tank, HVAC systems and greenhouse air intakes: it works for both air and water. Many restaurant supply, and camping gear companies sell micro U.V. Lamps for sterilization of surfaces and pots of water respectively. Try to eliminate all use of chlorine for health reasons (and environmental), including (PVC) pipes and plastics listed as #77 on the recycling number on the bottom of your plastic jugs. They all leach toxins similar to BPA. Hope this doesn't ruin all your plans, but I hope to save at least one life with this info. R.J. Ford, Toxin researcher, Canada

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07/22/2013 2:52 AM

'....Try to eliminate all use of chlorine for health reasons (and environmental), including (PVC) pipes and plastics listed as #77....'

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You suggestion isn't clear. You briefly discuss chlorine gas. Then you suggest avoiding chlorine, but include chlorides in your list of things to avoid, which suggests you are proposing avoiding the element chlorine in all its forms.

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You didn't really mean to suggest people avoid contacting any chemical containing chlorine the element? Right?

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You really think it is that bad? Or should I take what you say with a grain of salt?

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07/22/2013 9:33 AM

No. Silly man, to avoid chloride we would have to drink only demineralized water (which is bad for you, and leaches minerals from your teeth). Not only that, we would all die from not having sufficient electrolyte balance in our blood, or would have the wrong blood pH due to (impossible) substitution of something like bicarbonate in the place of chloride.

No one argues that chlorine gas is dangerous, and it is dangerously reactive to certain substances that are pollutants in water by chlorinating them into dangerous carcinogens. Just look at the cancer rates in the 1970's-1980's in the lower Mississippi basin. On the other hand, who wants to get in the cholera disentery line, or the typhus line? There will always be a balance between controlling major disease, and enduring the side effects of the agents we use to control them.

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07/22/2013 9:38 AM

PVC....

...is a chloride.

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Please clarify what you are suggesting....

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07/22/2013 2:53 PM

I am not the one hating chloride. I have no problem drinking from a garden hose. Used to drink right out of the windmill pipe at home on the farm. I turned out OK.

Let's pick over ridiculously insignificant details. Yes, the devil is in the details, but in this case all the demons of hell could rest on an atom chlorine.

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07/22/2013 8:25 PM

My mistake. I was just ribbing... but ribbing the wrong cage..

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07/22/2013 12:47 PM

I merely mentioned the gas and plastics, which are very unstable. You overshot what I said and included salt? Hokay buddy.. We all have heard about PVC and it's hazards. Nevermind chlorine gas being used at home! Im not even going to go any further.

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07/22/2013 8:29 PM

'.... Try to eliminate all use of chlorine for health reasons....'

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You words.

Words are important, at least they are to me.

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07/22/2013 1:54 PM

Not being critical of any post (I think there several that are very good and appropriate) but I would like to provide some information. ClO2 is much more hazardous than PVC. PVC as in Poly Vinyl Chloride has few properties that would cause it to be a health risk under normal use. It is the monomer, Vinyl Chloride, which PVC is made from that causes the problems.

This is the material that caused so many problems in Paulsboro, NJ, when a Conrail train partially collapsed a bridge on November 30, 2012. Several Vinyl Chloride tankers fell off the bridge and at least one of them was breached. Half of the town had to be evacuated for several days until the material had evaporated and dispersed itself down to acceptable levels. Many of the other people in the town had to shelter in place The other tankers that did not leak had to have their contents transferred to road trailers before the rail tankers could be moved.

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07/22/2013 11:00 PM

Found some interest reading on Chlorine Dioxide if anyone is interested. They looks at the compound from several perspectives but are easy to read. The one from the CDC is very clear about why it is rated as IDLH (Immediately Dangerous to Life and Health).

Felt that these may clarify some of our perceptions of CLO2. They are

http://www.cdc.gov/niosh/idlh/10049044.html

http://www.cdc.gov/niosh/npg/npgd0116.html

http://www2.dupont.com/Chlorine_Dioxide/en_US/assets/downloads/TasteandOdorControl.pdf

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chlorine_dioxide

http://www2.dupont.com/Chlorine_Dioxide/en_US/tech_info/index.html

One interesting article on what it isn't is:

http://www.frontierpharm.com/

Hope these might be of interest to some posters.

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07/23/2013 9:16 AM

With a really low PEL of 0.1 ppm (in air), I should think this biocide would be quite effective in removing homeowners from the neighborhood, if that was the intent.

Lethal for rats seems to be approximately 10 ppm repeated dose.

This is nothing for half-trained or technically indept homeowners to be playing with.

They would be better off with a small tank of water and chlorine or iodine tablets.

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07/22/2013 2:59 PM

If you are really serious about implementing this, you will need one of the newer chlorine dioxide systems out on the market, firstly. Secondly, you will most likely not be able to size even their smallest system down to your use. Having gone through that evolution, you will have to consider re-engineering how water is supplied in your home.

Suggestion: install a water storage tank appropriate for household use. Have the ClO2 system turn on only when the tank has reached the lower trip limit for filling. I suspect you will still have to have everything turned way down.

Happy non-toxic results, I hope.

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