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Electrical Wiring Help

09/13/2013 1:07 PM

We are looking for a way to wire a process alarm into a flow system; it should function as follows. Upon no fluid flow, the alarm should sound. The operator should be able to silence the alarm with a momentary push-button. However the no fluid flow signal is still being sent to the alarm, which would re-engage the alarm. How would we wire this system to allow for the alarm to silence upon the pressing of the push-button, but still have no fluid flow; and allow for resetting of the alarm on next no fluid flow occurrence?

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09/13/2013 4:09 PM

Your flow switch is a normally open or closed contact.

Your flow switch could operate a relay (relay 1).

Your N/O pushbutton could be wired to self latch another relay (relay 2), which might interface to relay 1 in some fashion. Relay 2 might even operate an alarm.

Can you divine how this might be wired?

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09/13/2013 5:55 PM

Hi EMCintern - per our terms of service, you're only allowed to post a thread one time. Just choose the forum that it fits into best. Many users are browsing via the homepage, the show all recent threads page, or the Daily Digest, so they'll see it.

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09/14/2013 3:01 AM

Get the simple no flow alarm working first.
The rest is just flim flam which can be implemented with a range of KrisDel special flimflam relays.
Why is it that people who want alarm systems usually insist on an audible alarm and then immediately want a way to shut it off?
They don't want a simple switch in case someone messes with it, so they add an ever increasing list of half ar$sed ideas to make it 'fool proof' more complicated and less reliable. They rarely never actually come up with a written spec' for what they want but will find fault in anything you produce.

A cardboard box lined with foam and painted bright red can be put over the alarm until the problem is fixed. This will act as both 'alarm mute' function and 'alarm mute active' indictor. It is cheap, simple and easy to wire.
KrisDel sell a suitable 'Manual Alarm Mute System' in a variety of colours at $300 each, these come with a certifimicate of authenicity and are tested for audio muting perfomance by being placed over a squirrel which is then poke with a stick.
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09/14/2013 4:18 AM

I don't have a convenient way to draw schematics, but here is a description:

Hot to NO alarm contact to point A to NO silence PB to point B to relay R coil to Neutral.
Point A to NO relay R contact to point B.
Point A to NC relay R contact to horn to Neutral.

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09/14/2013 5:16 AM

Is that a KriDel Flimflam relay you are using?
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09/14/2013 3:05 PM

Sounds like a simple software problem....I'd suggest that while the squealer is 'choked', that you allow it to emit a periodic 'blat' at some interval to declare that it is disabled, and then a 'woohoo!' when it auto resets. Micro controllers to do this used to be expensive, today they are < $40 US at your local Radio Shack or online. These include 'stamp' devices programmed in basic, Arduino devices programmed in 'c', or the 'propeller' multiprocessor programmed in 'forth'. In any case the device should require less than 2 hours to implement.

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09/14/2013 4:02 PM

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09/14/2013 9:03 PM

Friend,

Assuming the flow switch is giving you a contact closure when there is no fluid flow, you can do it with a single auxiliary relay and the alarm silence push-button. The auxiliary relay can be SPDT (form-C) or DPDT (2 form-C). Wire the common contact of the relay to the flow switch output and the NC contact of the relay to the alarm. Put the silence push-button in parallel with the NO contact of the relay (one side to the common and the other to the NO). Wire the relay coil onto the NO contact of the relay. Make sure that the relay coil has the same operating voltage as the alarm output. You should be able to figure how to wire the other side of the relay coil.

Now, when the flow stops, the alarm sounds. When you press the silence button, it energizes the relay coil, which latches itself energized through the NO contact and silences the alarm through the now-opened NC contact. When the flow restarts the power to the relay drops out so the relay opens and the circuit resets for the next alarm condition.

Got it? Now, as a homework assignment to you, start looking at additional options, such as a flashing beacon or a warning light that will be on if the alarm condition exists but the silence button has been pressed. Can you figure where in this circuit it should be wired (hint--no additional relays or contacts are needed)?

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09/16/2013 3:51 PM

The diagrams are part of a modification to add an alarm to a gas turbine generator (PLC) control in ladder relay format. Each alarm has an initiating logic relay, like 0100-05, rung 256: a silencing relay, like 0101-05 rung 247 [in which the "Accept Alarm" relay is slave to the Accept N/C push-button] and an output relay, like 0053-12 rung 256, which has a contact in the common audible alarm/pager call-out rung (not shown). The AlmA54 coil in rung 246 is status change logged (with time) in an alarm logging text file. Sorry about the dislocated relay numbers in rung 247, getting things into CR4 is not always straightforward.

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09/16/2013 3:57 PM

Apologies, should have written "Accept N/O pushbutton"

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09/03/2024 7:01 AM

It's good that there is a <...We...>.

Write down a concise statement of how this thing is intended to operate. This is called the Control Philosophy.

Then get the Programmer/Technician to write down how the equipment will be configured to do this task based upon the above. This is called the Functional Design Specification.

Once those have been discussed and agreed, sanction the Programmer/Technician to do it according to the above, test it, and report back on a record sheet of some sort. This is called Commissioning.

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