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Induce Voltage in Multi Core Cables

11/20/2013 12:15 PM

I have an 8 core copper conductor 12 meter piece. for a test purpose i carried out megger at 1000 volts the result was infinity. The Interesting part is that when i introduce 220vac to any one core i have around 180 to 160 volts in rest of the cores.

Kindly provide support in eliminating the subject issue because this phenomena is causing all indications on my MCC and Local control to glow. and what will be long term effects on the system.

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Re: induce voltage in multi core cables

11/20/2013 12:34 PM

What you are experiencing with the AC power is called capacitive coupling.

Basically each individual conductor is acting like a plate in a capacitor allowing some voltage at a microscopic current level to being transferred from the live line to the open floating lines which would be enough power transfer to get mini neon bulb type indicator lights to flicker a bit.

A simple fix would be to put a grounding resistor on each line to drain off the capacitively coupled voltage you are seeing. Anything around 250K - 500K ohms in parallel with your indicator bulbs should work just fine to keep them off.

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11/20/2013 12:57 PM

Thanks i will carry out the tests and inform you accordingly.

Further can you tell me what are the long term effects on the electrical network?

once again thanks for your support.

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11/20/2013 12:59 PM

The effects will be nil/zilch/nada/nothing.

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11/20/2013 1:00 PM

Thanks.

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11/20/2013 1:25 PM

what if i change the neon bulb with filament bulb should i still use a 250k ohms resistance?

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11/21/2013 9:02 AM

Changing to a filament could be beyond the current drain ability of the driving circuits. the Neon lamps have no direct connection across their leads, and so present no loading to the circuit until they fire. Changing the lamps to filaments would require pre-analysis to be sure the system would not be corrupted by the new loading.

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11/20/2013 12:36 PM

...and it's also called High Impedance Digital Voltmeter Syndrome.

Change to a cheap-and-nasty moving coil analog meter and see if the voltages are still there. There's GBP£1 resting on the outcome.

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11/20/2013 1:51 PM

Depending on your circuit layout and loading this could be due to capacitive coupling or magnetic (transformer) coupling. In both cases a lower impedance on the non-energized cables will reduce the effect. Without knowing the details of the details of the system I cannot recommend a method to eliminate this coupling.

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11/20/2013 6:32 PM

Or it could be a big, metal hoop-a-joop left there by the aliens, children.

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11/20/2013 8:21 PM

Follow Slack's good advise. Or cut the cable in 1 inch pieces?

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11/20/2013 10:46 PM

Yup... I agree with the other postings.

If this happens when you energize one conductor only, it is no doubt capacitive coupling.

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11/20/2013 10:48 PM

If you are introducing 220VAC(L) to one core where is the reference for the other end of your meter? Ground perhaps or a common neutral in another cable?

These measurements of induced voltage in the other cores are these also relative to the same reference?

....and you are using neon lamps?

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11/20/2013 11:03 PM

Terminate all free / unused cable cores with 100k Ohms 2W resistor to earth / ground.

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11/21/2013 9:03 AM

This is a common issue with low voltage control cables that have been pulled/installed in the same cable tray and/or conduit with medium voltage or high-current LV load wiring.

If adding the capacitors and resistors do not clear up the "glowing" issue you will have to replace the control cables with shielded cables and earth/ground one end of the drain conductor.

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11/21/2013 2:11 PM

Disconnect all unused cores, especially if they are connected to high impedance inputs in control units in the MCC. The forum cannot see what these are.

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