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Pressure Calibration Uncertainty Constraints

02/26/2014 7:45 AM

I need to do pressure gauge calibration and have to find the uncertainty.

What all constraints I have to consider, to budget uncertainty ?

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Re: Pressure Calibration uncertainty constraints

02/26/2014 8:30 AM

Hi Justinanto1987,

By uncertainty do you mean the error?

You will need a dead weight tester to check the gauges (expensive)

Gauges come in various accuracies, 2.5%, 1.6%, 1% etc. so you will need to check whether it is still within the original specification and supply a calibration certificate showing the deviation from the pressure shown both on rising and falling pressures.

Calibration of equipment is usually carried out by specialist companies due to the cost of the equipment required.

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Re: Pressure Calibration uncertainty constraints

02/26/2014 8:35 AM

You need to be more specific as to what "uncertainty" is.

There is a wide range of variables that may need to be considered such as:

Unknown system dynamics?

Unknown physical state of the pressure gauge due to poor maintenance or exposure to forces beyond design specifications?

Determine all system dynamic(s) concerns, operating constraints, operating environment, gauge location in system, type of gauge, temperature, age, accuracy required, operating characteristics, and the requirements of the application.

In short you must know the process very well that the gauge is being used in/on before you can answer the question.

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02/26/2014 8:40 AM

The calibration uncertainty will depend on the calibration method, and the uncertainties in the components you are using to perform the calibration. As jesw55 said, the "proper" way (giving least uncertainty) would be with a dead-weight rig, but buying one for only a few instruments doesn't make economic sense.

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02/26/2014 12:06 PM

Compare what you wish to test to a known +/- accurate gauge...

http://www.ashcroft.com/products/pressure_gauges/test/upload/BigGauge-I-M.pdf

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02/26/2014 1:07 PM

Gentlemen I am sorry to say that you are by far not up to date with measurement techniques and definitions.

Uncertainty was introduced mant mant years ago as term to define just exactly what it means the fact that due to the stochastic influence of the factors which influence a measurement result this one is NOT a sure value but one in the "fog", a value related to a probability to be in a certain domain.

The uncertainty takes into consideration ALL possible influences as: nonlinearity, hysteresis, temperature, supply (if the gauge needs a DC or AC supply), humidity, environmental dynamics (especially for mechanical gauges) and so on...

According to modern secifications the probabilistic distribution of the different dispersions is to be used for some it is a normal distribution (gauss) for other it can triangular or even recatngular (same density all over the field). The final "uncertainty" is computed with those values.

As for the calibration of the pressure gauges I would suggest a much more economic approach if the number is not VERY important an if the application is ausual industrial one. Uncertainty of dead weight calibrators is too much for industrial user maintenance it is some times justified but not always since transducers are very reliable and compensated as weel in nonlinearity as in temperature drift.

This is a calibration by comparison with the output signal of a high precision pressure transducer (from a very good supplier) for which a calibration sheet is available with data points and own uncertainty. Further more you need a good supply ( volatge stable ) as well for the reference gauge as for the one to be calibrated (if it is an electric one) and a pressure source which can be a hand pump or for lower pressure a compressed air line with a pressure regulator.

The 2 gauges i.e. the reference one and the one to be calibrated are put on same manifold and loaded with same pressure. Results are read point by point for both and are analysed in order to determine the degree of uncertainty for the object to be calibrated.

For a good result (i.e. with a low degree of uncertainty) it is better to take at least 5 point over the FS (0 to FS). If there is time enough than up to 11 points are to be recorded. You could also use the Student approach for an estimation of the uncertainty band.

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02/26/2014 1:51 PM

We collectively bow to your uncertainty.....

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02/26/2014 4:15 PM

You forgot "High" in front of Uncertainty but I will accept never the less !

Although seldom I see that High value is recognized at least

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03/01/2014 7:05 AM

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03/01/2014 11:17 AM

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03/02/2014 9:57 AM

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Re: Pressure Calibration Uncertainty Constraints
How is the 'uncertainty' expressed for the pressure gauge. And how is it translated into a meaningful value.?

All I have ever come across is (say) Full Scale ±1.0%. So I know (believe) a reading of (say) 93psi on a 140psi FS gauge is somewhere between 93±1.4. To me that is the 'certainty'. So how is uncertainty expressed?

And when you consider the reading is by eye from an angle, and 93 is an estimate (guess) of the position of the pointer in an ungraduated space between 90 and 100, what value is the uncertainty then.

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09/14/2014 7:48 AM

ha ha, thanks for your help. I already consider the uncertainty from the master, uncertainty due to resolution ,uncertainty due to hysteresis and uncertainty due to repeatability for uncertainty budgeting. I wonder whether I have to consider more constraint for my budgeting be more correct. That is why I asked this question.

Is it practical to find the uncertainty due to other parameters like humidity and temperature ? How we can find the same practically ?

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09/14/2014 8:33 AM

By making measurement at different temperature and humidity values and compare results in order to establish a trend.

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09/15/2014 2:18 PM

"Gentlemen I am sorry to say that you are by far not up to date with measurement techniques and definitions."

If I know all, why should I post such a question here. Unnecessary statement!!!

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