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Siver Tip on Copper Stud

03/18/2014 3:11 AM

How can we fix silver tip on a copper stud-Any method other than brazing

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03/18/2014 3:16 AM

Thread both and screw them together.

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03/18/2014 3:25 AM

This sounds borderline between brazing and soldering. What does not work about those?

Other possibility: electroplating.

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03/18/2014 3:30 AM

Depends on the purpose and properties required of the finished item. There are some pretty good adhesives around these days.

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Re: Siver tip on copper stud

03/18/2014 5:47 AM

That depends upon the purpose of the assembly and the skill set that the undefined "we" have available. Given just fifteen words of explanation, anything from wallpaper paste to explosive welding would do.

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Re: Siver tip on copper stud

03/18/2014 6:11 AM

I don't know how thick your tip needs to be, but you might be able to make it all one piece.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dip_soldering

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03/18/2014 7:28 AM

Riveted. This is not the best method for attaching a contact. Best used on low amp applications.

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Re: Silver Tip on Copper Stud

03/18/2014 10:03 AM

Here's a couple of WAG to go with the lack of relevant information. You could electroplate the tip with chrome, nickle or actual silver but silver will easily tarnish. Hot dipping will also work but may not adhere as well.

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03/18/2014 10:26 AM

What about electroplating?

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03/18/2014 10:29 AM

OOOPS, I skipped post # 7! Nevertheless, due to the coincidence of opinions, electroplating seems to be the answer!

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03/18/2014 11:07 AM

Oh well, 7 skipped 2, also.

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03/18/2014 11:21 AM

I thought I was embellishing #2. It seemed appropriate when one wants shiny things.

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03/18/2014 11:13 AM

Since the OP can't seem to find their way back here, and provided no useful information to begin with, it's all moot.

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03/19/2014 9:39 AM

I totally agree with Lyn, this underworded, open-ended question does not deserve an answer, since the final purpose is never mentioned.

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03/19/2014 9:44 AM

Agreed. From the sparse information we have a silver crayon might work.

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Re: Siver Tip on Copper Stud

03/18/2014 11:49 AM

break out the 56% silver and get over your aversion to brazing

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03/18/2014 4:54 PM

Simple!!

Go to your local electrical contact manufacturer and investigate "cold heading". This outcome is normal in manufacture of electrical contact for automotive and relay industries (Or at least it was until 4 years ago).

From memory, "Engelhard" was one of the international players if you cannot find local supplier.

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03/18/2014 9:09 PM

Most here are assuming that the silver tip is desired to be placed on copper contacts. We do not know this. For all we know a silver tip on a copper stud could be desired for fighting werewolves.

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03/18/2014 9:21 PM

To me, a stud implies a round, blunt rod.

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03/18/2014 11:47 PM

The technique that has been used at times in the past successfully was a process called flash welding or impact welding and actually dates back to processes used before the industrial revolution. Basically the way we used it was to impact the two different metals together at high speed and pressure. The interface between the two metals actually produces a small amount of "flash" or a small fin of metal which should be easy to remove. Inspecting the weld area between the two metals reveals that the materials have migrated into each other for quite a ways. The bond is stronger that most welds or brazes. We used it in transformers to bond aluminum conductors to copper. This was done about 40 years ago. As far as I know none of the joints have ever failed. Other failures have occurred but not the impact welds.

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03/19/2014 12:20 AM

I think I have also heard that described as "explosion welding", or some similar phrase. One configuration is to drive interference-fit cylinders rapidly together. Maybe a like scheme would suit the OP's needs.

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03/19/2014 2:13 AM

THREAD THEM OR HEAT SILVER CAP & FREEZE COPPER ROD . TAP SILVER ONTO COPPER . HEAT SHRINK FIT . IT ALL DEPENDS ON YOUR APPLICATION !!! JERRY THE GREAT !!!

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03/19/2014 2:20 AM

Shh.

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03/19/2014 6:33 AM

An interference fit does not work for electrical contacts due to the localized heating of one metal versus the other. I have seen this tried by various manufacturers in electrical contacts before and the result is frequent failure. Also if the current is high, the forces slamming the contacts together is high, to the point of some metal deformation (intentional) and all contacts weld to some extent and the forces to separate them need to be high enough to break that weld. Most of the failures of this type of connection were in the 1200 amp, 15KV breakers and those of you familiar with them know the manufacturers. Brazed connection of the arconite (arcing contact material) and silver (current carrying contact) to the bronze substrate in those cases worked better.

I know of no manufacturer who was successful with interference fit.

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03/19/2014 9:29 AM

I need hearing aids, so I guess I appreciate the turned up volume! I does make it difficult to read though, kind of like a child's printing. Jerry the great WHAT???

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03/19/2014 4:51 AM

Resistive welding would work, so would friction welding. The other suggestions have their merits too...

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Re: Siver Tip on Copper Stud

03/19/2014 4:57 AM

Depending upon required usage qualities, which have not been posted fully, even soft soldering may fit the bill and be really cheap.

Old fashioned lead/tin may still be used in certain situations, or the modern lead free.....

If the soldered area is fairly large in comparison to the length of the tip, it can be surprisingly strong and of course lets electricity through, where glues may have problems (if its a contact!) in this area.

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03/19/2014 6:31 AM

If it is for electrical contact then spin welding, (friction welding) is an option. Place the stud into a lathe and switch on to the highest speed available, clamp the silver cap rigidly and force onto the end of the stud with enough pressure to just slow the lathe. If the friction does no melt both the silver cap and stud, apply external heat with a gas torch. Once both metals are soft enough to bulge outwards stop the lathe, preferably using DC injection to create an abrupt stoppage. The two parts should cool welded together with excellent electrical properties.

If you do not have the correct equipment or are not confident of doing the job in house, check out local suppliers who offer spin welding done on specialist machines.

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03/19/2014 8:59 AM

Percussive or Percussion welding is a technology related to stud welding. It is commonly used to weld high conductivity metals to each other. This method is often used to weld silver relay or contactor electrodes to brass or copper bus bars

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