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Welding on 50 Year Old Overhead Crane

06/26/2014 3:17 AM

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Can anyone tell if it is still ok to weld on overhead crane which is about 50 yrs old? will there be any issues on the parent material of the crane beam like cyclic loading and fatigue stress? what type of test do we need to conduct before welding on the bridge end? The owner thought of changing the end carrier of the crane. Which international code or standard can i refer? ANSI? BS? ISO? CMAA? OSHA?

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Re: Welding on 50 yrs old Overhead crane

06/26/2014 3:52 AM

The person who can tell if it is OK is the Engineer/Surveyor for the company that supplies collapse indemnity insurance cover for the equipment. The procedure is simple: pick up the phone and arrange a site visit to inspect, discuss and report.

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Re: Welding on 50 yrs old Overhead crane

06/26/2014 8:47 AM

Ye Gods!

Peoples lives are at risk if this goes wrong.

When you're in court saying you asked a bunch of randoms on the net isn't going help in your defence.

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Re: Welding on 50 yrs old Overhead crane

06/26/2014 11:16 AM

50 years old! One cannot even guess what grade of steel was used so how can one anyone come up with a welding procedure unless they make some guesses. There may indeed be some fatigue issues and even if you are successful at this repair, what will be next.

To be on the safe side, look for a qualified engineering firm with some credentials who can recommend what you should do. That will cost some $ for sure and you will have to compare that with the cost of replacing the unit entirely.

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Re: Welding on 50 Year Old Overhead Crane

06/26/2014 6:01 PM

When was the last time the crane was inspected? Without a current inspection sticker, I wouldn't even use the crane, much less weld on it.

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06/26/2014 11:13 PM

Instead of welding have you considered fabricating an adaptor that bolts/clamps on instead?

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06/26/2014 11:34 PM

It would help if we knew what repairs the OP is wanting to carry out.

Every company I've worked for that used EOT cranes had the original design specification and drawings on file. Some fabrication drawings even specified the grain direction of rolled plates.
In many cases the crane manufacturer had long gone out of business but we could still give the specification for new parts. A fifty year old crane is far more likely to have such documentation.

It seems strange that a company wouldn't keep records that the OP could refer to.

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Re: Welding on 50 Year Old Overhead Crane

06/27/2014 6:56 AM

Normally end carriages are bolted to crane girder. If you are changing end carriages then there is no welding required. Crane structure might have developed fatigue stress so you have to be careful before doing and rectification. Crane should be tested for deflection test before and after modification. In this test 125% load is attached to center of crane girder and amount of deflection (bending of girder) is measured. It should be 1/800 of the span (crane girder length). This is as per I.S:807 (Indian Standard based on British Standard). Also you should measure crane wheel diagonals and alignment.

Better to give job to local crane consultant.

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06/27/2014 11:48 AM

While I applaud some of the answers, they didn't address your specific question(s): The specific Welding Procedure is AWS 1.2. Since the procedure will be performed at the current time, the structure will have to comply with current structural and building standards. If you are looking for structural fatigue, ASNTC has the procedures for Non-Destructive Evaluation of the materiel. OSHA (assuming this is in the USA) will have the regulations. The building owner should know all of this as it is he/she that hold the most current inspection certificates. Contact the crane builder for the as-built specifications. This is a starting point. Before you can develop a WPS (as defined in AWS) you need to know the type and grade of (I assume) steel. I hope this helps.

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06/29/2014 12:56 PM

As others said pl. check the integrity of structure before proceeding further to repair. Consumables are available even for unknown composition steel and could be welded with an approval and conducting a WPS, PQR.

AWS D 1.2 is referred for welding of Aluminum. It could be AWS D 1.1 which is used for welding of steel.

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