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Transfer of Electrical Energy?

07/30/2014 4:07 AM

Need to understand the transfer of electrical energy, give some examples if you can :)

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07/30/2014 4:26 AM

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07/30/2014 4:30 AM

The question is not very clear. Do you mean 'what happens between the power station and my house', or 'what happens between the battery in my Sony Walkman and my ears' ? You could be talking about electrical energy in the human body for all I know.

Clarify - what do you want to understand. To diverge, when we don't know the answer to something it's often because we can't formulate the question in our own minds. I'm not being patronizing or insulting, it's unlikely I can help, but you will not get much help from anyone unless you can explain your question in more detail.

If it cheers you up any, I like 'basic' questions. We all need the occasional jolt, which is what explaining something can do.

I'll be back soon, my drink is getting warm .

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07/30/2014 5:03 AM

The electrical contractors will tell him!

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07/30/2014 5:09 AM

..and now I just spilled the flipping drink !

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07/31/2014 1:48 AM

TO KRIS "I'm not being patronizing or insulting, " That comment would only be true if you were from New York" "it's unlikely I can help" That part I can be leave based on the first comment" This is an electrical engineering Blog not a bio or electronics Blog. Thus the answer is very clear. And the clear answer is we do not know for sure. No one does. However I will give the person asking what is considered the most likely answer.

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07/31/2014 9:30 AM

What?

A condescending AND vacant comment... nice first post.

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07/31/2014 10:00 AM

Uh, that's his second post.

His first one proves he's not very smart and can't spell.

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07/31/2014 10:37 AM

No, this thread was his first post.

His second comment demonstrates some grasp of the dangers of an antique press brake.

First or second, doesn't really matter. Either way, a vacant and vapid comment was made here. Perhaps the CR4 spall chigger doesn't work for him.

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07/31/2014 12:58 PM

Dex, we all take a ribbing here and we all jest, so don't be put off. However, there is a tendency for young sprogs to use here for homework as their brains are in their pockets, (known as cell or mobile phones). Put this down as 'apprenticeship training'. There is much info to gain and give, but the sprogs like to BS here. Have fun and enjoy it all. And don't stop posting. Welcome to the Crazy Zone.

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07/31/2014 2:31 PM

Ribbing: take the mickey, have a go at each other, have a laugh at the expense of others. WE are all pretty good people here with varied backgrounds but all have great information and experience and I recently discovered they are all very helpful with and for one another. I have had my share of getting ribbed, I probably deserved it too at times, but recently these guys pulled through for me on information and they were happy to share. I took the advice and the boat is now fully rigged and operational. These people have lots of experience in their fields and it is all give and take. And some times tongue in cheek, but I can assure you, they are good people on this site. We all need a laugh and joke at times. It helps. Anyway, enjoy and go easy on the lads, I am sure they mean no harm or badness to anyone. WE all have something to share, and we all want to feel useful and important. Enjoy!

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07/31/2014 10:15 PM

You are discrediting your superiority by calling others idiots.

Want to be taken serious prove it and don't babble!

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07/31/2014 11:04 AM

Dex, I honestly can't remember my first post, but I am quite certain I didn't use it to insult another member of this forum.

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07/31/2014 11:07 AM

Dex, are you a product of outcome based education?

That is to ask: Where did you go to charm school?

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07/31/2014 2:32 PM

from Doorman :Dex, I honestly can't remember my first post, I can tell that you would not be able to recall your first post. Or the one you did yesterday.

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07/31/2014 2:42 PM

Dex, are you a product of outcome based education? Yes I am. But did not like the outcome. It led to no income or low income at best. And as for Charm School. I learned it from Kris. The Drunk that was I guess in your mind being kind by asking on a electrical engineering question and a basic one at that if the posted question was about electro chemical transfer of energy in a bilologicle system as well as audio and transfer from his ear to his rear. He gave me a good education in Charm and what is called a finishing school for Engineers. Are you talking about Lucky Charms and the electrical forces that make up part of the ionic Bond.

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07/31/2014 2:48 PM

Could you explain to us idiots what a bilologicle system is, and maybe read the rules for posting, again?

Thank you.

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07/31/2014 3:57 PM

Wow.

Well, Dex, I had thought you were a shallow, inconsiderate, pompous fellow with insecurities too numerous to seriously contemplate.

I was incorrect; You are an obnoxious jackass. In hopes there is nothing lost in the translation:
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Rydych yn jackass.
Tu sei un asino.
Usted es un idiota.
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08/01/2014 9:32 AM

. . . . but I came here for an argument.

Oh! Sorry, this is abuse. You want room 12A next door.

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You're the product of an outcome-based education and you didn't like the outcome?

How long did it take you to get so comfortable with it?

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One thread is not enough to judge the quality of their posts.

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And how did this guy find out that I have a lumpy butt?

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07/31/2014 10:20 PM

I did guess it! But however he did . . .?

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07/31/2014 2:33 PM

You need to work on spelling, punctuation and manners.

I have taken the liberty of copying and correcting some of your finer work in your insulting post.

"your ugly your stupid and you stink" should be, You're ugly, you're stupid and you stink," with the first word of any sentence capitalized.

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Admin!

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Take him out or we will!

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Dex : Your posts are incoherent, rambling, gibberish.

You have managed to be deleted 3 times, and your other posts have been voted (not by me) as 'Off Topic'. A 7/7 fail-rate suggests that you need to read CR4's FAQ's, and think before you post.

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08/05/2014 12:18 PM

Well, I can see the Dex situation resolving one of two ways:

A) He starts following the rules.

B) He forces the Admins to pull out that venerated and noble tool of the forums, the Golden Banhammer.

Either way things will quiet down.

The only thing I dislike about option B, and this is entirely from shadenfreude, is that we do not get to see how far the victim flies through the air after getting metaphorically clobbered under the chin by the banhammer. (I always envision a golf-style swing with a golden sledgehammer, lofting the 'dearly departing' high into the air and headed for the far horizon.)

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Dex Rexford, by any chance are you related to Fred Garvin?

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07/31/2014 12:03 PM

I'm guessing the question is just fine. He seems to be seeking ways to send the electrical energy from a generator to a receiver without giving hints in order to get more innovative thinking. That is, maybe from a satellite by microwave to an antenna on earth--that is, how can the transfer be done without wires?

I'll find out if I'm right after I read farther!

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07/31/2014 1:14 PM

His home page is :http://wWW.findelectricalcontractors.co.uk

Seems a little strange to me.

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07/31/2014 1:19 PM

Actually I find it to be an honest web site. The web page shows nothing but a polite greeting with no comprehension of electrical work. Seems honest to me.

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07/31/2014 1:44 PM

Still seems strange to me that someone who has offered many, many threads of advice on electrical issues is asking such a question.

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I learned this week from a school teacher that the kids have no interest in learning as they get all the info, easily, on line, and that is in the class room. So here is an easy opportunity to sit back and let others do the work. Why know anything when Google and a cell phone has all the answers, rightly or wrongly. It makes me wonder why I bother to work. Put then in a 600kV DC converter station and let then Google how to build that.

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07/30/2014 5:03 AM

One answer:

Wire!

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Best answer I have seen so far on the list.

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07/31/2014 10:42 AM

And here I thought it was a London tube train. I saw it at the weekend, full of bright sparks! Wire you say! Hmmm!

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07/30/2014 5:16 AM

Forgive my previous comments. In order that people can help, let me begin with trying to get one step foreward. WHY do you need to understand the transfer of electrical energy ? What is the nature of the problem that needs to be solved ?

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07/30/2014 5:25 AM

OK OK I know I shouldn't GOOGLE for other people but this one just seems to need help sooooo badly! By-the-way I GOOGLed "Transfer of electrical energy"...isn't it amazing how that works?

http://www.passmyexams.co.uk/GCSE/physics/energy-transfer.html

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Best bent wire. Absolutely.

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Those are positrons, right?

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its a flow of electrons

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07/30/2014 9:29 AM

First I'll examine the evidence.

You claim to live in Colorado, USA. Your signature line is supposedly your webpage for electrical contractors in Manchester England. You ask us a question about electrical energy like a grade school student.

I'm not sure if I should be insulted by you or embarrassed for you.

Please tell me you have a point here.

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07/30/2014 10:21 AM

OP, for your information.
I've just blacklisted your company from a UK electrical forum.

You're an embracement to the electrical industry.

Out of interest, why live in Colorado when your company is UK based? Something to hide? I think it's time for me to do a bit of digging around

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Your new avatar, sir!

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07/30/2014 3:55 PM

Can you please describe your question in more detail, otherwise you will get examples such as heat, motion, light, etc which answer your question but surely cannot be what you are after.

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07/30/2014 9:46 PM

Since you live in Colorado, turn on KCNC, channel 4, out of Denver. Kick back, open a Coors, and ask yourself how it is that you are able to see Rory McElroy playing in the British Open without being there.

Have you ever seen the Northern lights? They're beautiful. What are they?

Turn on the headlamps in your car before going to bed. try to start the car in the morning. What happened to the energy in your battery?

Remember that good looking redhead you met in Cancun. Now how did that stored memory move through your brain?

Blow up a balloon. Rub it on your Broncos hoodie and stick it to the wall. Why does it do that?

This is fun. I could do this all night, except that it's after nine and old folks shouldn't stay up this late.

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07/31/2014 12:46 AM

Well, you see, its like this, you can push electrons around with a magnet, but then you would have to explore the world of magnetic fields, a whole 'nother school of thought. Electrons (a mathematical quantum construct which helps you understand stuff but of course does not really exist in nature) has an interesting effect. Even if you can't figure out what the quantum construct is, you can certainly tell if it is not there! We call the absence of the electron a "hole". Holes move exactly opposite to the associated mathematical quantum constructs which we call electrons. If electrons move down a potential gradient, the holes will float up the potential gradient. Hole flow is key to understanding electricity because although we can argue until the cows come home about quantum theory and go off on a thousand tangents, there is no disagreement as to what a hole actually IS...a current of holes works and does the same job as a current of electrons in a wire. Now understanding semi-conductors requires a thorough understanding of "hole theory". You might find it easier to get your head around both semi-conductor and "standard wire" because holes are not mathematical quantum constructs.

Please study those links and get back to us.

Then we will discuss power....

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Re: Transfer of Electrical Energy?

07/31/2014 2:12 AM

Hey Shawn No one knows for sure how power is transferred over conductors. A lot is known but the actual events that take place are not known. We can only speculate. The More common speculation is that you can NOT move power through the conductor like you move liquid or air through a tub or pipe etc.. What WE THINK happens again this is not for sure but the best guess by the best minds. Power is transferred by Moving electrons into each other. For example. Think of one of those Science displays or toys that has usually 5 steel balls hanging and when not touched they are all just barley touching each other. Now. When you pull one back and let it go it hits the first on but the one at the other end acts as if IT was hit and it bounces up and away. If you grab two of the steel balls and let them go then two from the other end go away and up and then swing back and it goes back and forth. With Electricity it is similar. Electrons are excited and have more energy and hit the first one it connects with in the conductor and the energy travels to the far end or where ever something taps into the conductor or both. I Hope that helps you understand the most common and most excepted theory. One simple fact that helps this idea of how power is transferred is the fact that nothing we see is moving. And the fact that it would take time to get something from point A to B if it moved like liquid. But like the steel balls it is instant and does not travel through the wires anymore than the way energy is transferred through the Balls.Thus if in Boston and you put a current to a wire that travels to LA California ( about 300 Miles ) it happens about as fast as light travels. IT is slower than light but it close. No mass could make its way that far that fast with small amounts of energy and another point that makes this idea most likely is the fact that the speed is the same regardless of Voltage or Amperage as long as it is high enough to make the trip. Jim Davison

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07/31/2014 5:58 AM

You don't need to know, it is shocking. Molee Cule is a fine example, so is Ms.Elle C.Tron.

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07/31/2014 7:01 AM

Lightning!

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Re: Transfer of Electrical Energy?

08/06/2014 10:36 AM

How about a load of batteries inside a delivery van that is approaching its destination?

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08/06/2014 11:18 AM

Ah! You mean a load cell!

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Re: Transfer of Electrical Energy?

08/07/2014 2:57 PM

rofl ! Perfect answer to a (I'm being kind) vague question.

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