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Warming a Tank With PV

08/16/2014 3:34 PM

Dear fiends, I have an 8KW-240V DC PV system. I'd like to connect it with resistors to heat a tank, so I need a series linear regulator with heat loss of 2KW. The bottom of the tank has a maximum temperature 50oC. I'll make an aluminium heat sink connected with the bottom of the tank.What is the best solution to manage this power? 20 mosfets in parallel, transistors, IGBTs or something else? I Wouldn't like a switching system. Thank you, Porihis Antonis, Chalkidiki, Greece

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08/16/2014 3:47 PM

This seems like an incredibly inefficient way to heat water....I believe a thermal system would work much better....You need something like this...

http://www.sidite-solar.com/product.html

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08/16/2014 3:54 PM

? What? Water? Who said "water"?

The OP is heating a "tank". Could be empty, for all we know.

OP gives no useful information. I think OP is 15 years old.

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08/16/2014 4:12 PM

I already have something like this and the PV panels too.I want to utilize the extra energy from the panels.Thank you for your reply.

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08/16/2014 4:19 PM

Make some hydrogen...

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08/16/2014 4:51 PM

What's that, Capt Moosie's house?

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08/16/2014 3:51 PM

Paint the tank black and put it in the sun.

What does this mean? "The bottom of the tank has a maximum temperature 50oC"

What is the tank material?

How big is the tank?

What is in the tank?

What is the temperature outside the tank?

What do you want the temperature inside the tank to be?

Is this just a excuse to play with PV circuit?

What are you really trying to do?

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08/17/2014 4:26 PM

Good answer, put it in the sunshine and cut out the middleman!

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08/16/2014 5:00 PM

Some water heater elements in parallel would perhaps be most economical.

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08/16/2014 6:23 PM

This makes no sense to me. The tiny amount of information and choices given to us just makes no sense to me. Why do you want a linear regulator to run resistive heaters, to keep the voltage constant. Why in the world would you want to lose 25% of your available power to heating this linear regulator when you're trying to heat something else. Then there's the uncertainty of how much mass of whatever will be heated. I really do not understand the idea of adding an aluminum heatsink somewhere. Is this heatsink supposed to transfer regulator heat to air or resistance heat to this tank?

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08/16/2014 6:50 PM

The OP reminds me of our member hydrogenhead. No offense to either one.

I think OP has solar heat and just wants to use those unused PV panels. I'd use the power generated by the PV panels to run the circ. pump on the heat system.

What do I know? I'm just an old grouch.

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08/17/2014 12:15 AM

To transfer regulator heat to the tank.

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08/17/2014 12:19 AM

This 25% is no lost.

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08/18/2014 12:32 PM

"I have an 8KW-240V DC PV system. I'd like to connect it with resistors to heat a tank, so I need a series linear regulator with heat loss of 2KW."

By your definition it's a 25% loss.

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08/16/2014 7:35 PM

Forget regulation, just use a heating element (i.e. resistor) which will handle the maximum power the panel can generate, and things'll take care of themselves.

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08/16/2014 10:48 PM

Use 2 or more electric hot water heater elements in parallel. They are 240v ac or dc and available in wattages of 1,500 to 5,500 watts apiece. McMaster (not a commercial endorsement) sells them from $10.26 to $20.35 each depending upon the wattage. They are available with a 1" npt male thread or a square flange with a 2-1/2" square bolt configuration. Mount them on the bottom, or better yet mount them on the lower side. Suggest cutting a small section of the side out and use a piece of 8 ga stainless steel to mount the elements on and mount this on the tank. The temperature can be regulated with hot water heater thermostats if necessary or some sophisticated temperature control with extreme accuracy if needed.

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08/16/2014 11:42 PM

If the tank is a liquid tank there is nothing more efficient than a solar hot water panel.

Converting PV to resistive heat is going to be much less efficient, more costly, and more maintenance prone.

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08/17/2014 4:52 AM

Since we have no idea what to go on, I might as well put in the equlivelent of $0.02 USD in the currency of your choice,

I was involved in doing an experiment of using an unregulated solar array for an element of a water heater. It proved somewhat useful. It was just a place to dump unused solar power. Using excess power to run the house fan was probably better. I forget the results of the published paper.

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09/25/2014 10:14 AM

PV power is presently in the range of 15-20+% solar efficient, and the efficiency depends fairly strongly on heat removal and design. This means several things: (1) There are better ways to heat the water in the tank, (2) there is waste heat to be reclaimed right off the PV bank in terms of low grade thermal energy that probably matches your 50 °C tank requirement very well, and (3) only a very small power requirement is necessary to circulate water from the tank up to the PV (or over to the PV), unless we are talking miles of separation. You didn't specify (define) your set-up very well, thus I am taking the liberty to assume a couple of things: (1) the PV is most likely on a roof top, or even at ground level nearby, or possibly downhill from the tank (don't ask me why I would think this), (2) the minimum temperature in your area is above freezing at all times (I want to avoid freeze protecting my idea for the moment), and (3) the warmed water is considered potable and could be used for domestic/business applications.

If you want a direct heat sink on the back side of the PV panels, to cool the panels and make them operate more efficiently, you will want a pure or soft water loop to avoid heat exchanger fouling. If your water is relatively low degree of hardness, then direct loop discharging directly into the tank is acceptable. Regardless of physical layout, there will be an arrangement that will work with a minimal circulation pump energy, as long as the pump can indeed produce whatever head pressure is required to keep water flowing. The worst arrangement is where the PV would be high on a mountain, and the tank in a valley, but that is not what I envison in your case.

If a direct contact heat exhanger is not possible, consider using an enclosed box heat exchanger with the water tubing bundles at the bottom of it, the PV panel backside as the top of the sealed box, and 100% pure hydrogen fill gas as the working medium to carry heat away from the PV. This arrangement will work as thermal circulation is counter-intuitive, yet will take place as hydrogen cools at the bottom, and warmer hydrogen moves away from the PV, this will require baffles (channeling the gas flow).

Alternative to the upside down thermal transfer is to make a proper thermal siphon for the hydrogen by having the water tube bundles off to the side and higher than the PV, and a sealed gas channel just below the PV in communication with the enclosed tube bundle. Now that wasn't too hard to imagine, was it?

Third or fourth option: set up an Einstein-Svilard refrigerator to cool the PV and heat the water.

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