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Micom P143 Check Synch Feature

09/17/2014 11:37 PM

Hi everybody,

We are using P143 for synchronisation of our 30 MW generator with existing bus. This is the first time we are using P143 at generator level. During commissioning test, we realised that in P143 manual it is indicated that all three phase voltage along with neutral inputs are required for one source (generator in our case) and only two voltage inputs (two phases or one phase and one neutral) for other source (Existing bus in our case).

Now my question: is it possible to give only two phases voltage input of both sources to P143 and get it work, as we did in SKE relays?

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Re: Micom P143 Check synch feature

09/18/2014 2:56 AM

What did the maker of the Micom P143 device say when you asked them?

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09/18/2014 3:34 AM

When we directed our query to Alstom people, they simple sent a modified terminal numbers and no reply was received. Although we are in followup of the matter with them, this may take some time. We need to check this relay operation and proceed further for the other activities to synchronise the machine.

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09/18/2014 9:43 AM

At this point, I can only question the intelligence of trying to use gear you know nothing about.

Maybe it's time to get gear you know how to use or hire an instrumentation engineer who knows how to use the gear you have.

Waiting for an answer from unknown total strangers will not aid forward progress.

Good luck and good bye.

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Re: Micom P143 Check Synch Feature

09/19/2014 3:38 AM

Using the old 3 lamps method, I do believe that no neutral is needed anyway.....

We used (if my memory served me correctly, 3 phases from the online Generator and 3 phases from the oncoming generator.

If we talk of colours for phases as being R Y B, then one phase will be connected to the same colour phase on the other generator via one lamp, the top one set in a triangle configuration in my time.

And the other two will be cross connected across the last two phases each via a lamp.

Normally a resistor will also be required in series with each lamp to reduce voltage to lamps. (sometimes two lamps in series are used).

Roughly something like this:-

If you understand the above fully, then you will also easily understand where a phase meter will fit in. I always preferred the lamps, but its not "modern"....

The testing, setting up and connection, need to be 100% safely carried out to prevent any possible errors.

Reverse power sensing is needed in the oncoming generator to allow a bad parallel connection to be swiftly broken....automatically.

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Re: Micom P143 Check Synch Feature

09/19/2014 11:22 AM

I firmly agree with the other respondents on this question. Do not proceed without a much better communication between you and the OEM(s) involved including the manufacturer of your 30MW machine. Also, the last thing you want is allow this to somehow "motorized" the generator and damage your capital equipment.

The real reason for your question: What is stopping your from full compliance with the requirements of the P143?

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Re: Micom P143 Check Synch Feature

09/19/2014 11:11 PM

I THINK U CAN TEST IT BY USING 2PH SUPPLY FROM THE BOTH SIDE WITH DIS CONNECTING THE BREAKKKER CLOSE COMMAND TERMINALS AND CHECK IS IT WORK PROPERLY OR NOT... IT'S SO SIMPLE...

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Re: Micom P143 Check Synch Feature

09/19/2014 11:32 PM

thanks to all for reply.

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