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What Is a Rotary Pulse Jet?

01/10/2015 8:37 AM

A rotary pulse jet is actually a pulse jet engine (with a resonnant pipe) that rotates. In my view, a rotary pulse jet, rotary rectifier, and or a double duty augmenter are the only ways to improve a pulse jet fuel efficiency. a valveless pulse jet engine will consume as much as 5.5 lb of fuel for every pound of thrust that it generates per hour. A valved pulse jet engine will consume 3 lbs of fuel for every pound of thrust per hour. But a valved pulse jet is not reliable. the valves will fail in minutes. If you have a 55 lb thrust pulse jet (14 horsepower euivalent based on an actual propeller test----See discussion below), this engine will consume 302.5 lbs of fuel (49.8 gallons of gasoline) in the case of a valveless pulse jets for one hour of operation. But at high speed, fuel consumption will drop to 1.8 lb of fuel per pound of thrust per hour. See Gluharreff pressure jet or the US government sponsored "project Squid". The french snecma escopptte has a similar fuel consumption (1.8 lb of fuel per pound of thrust). But i believe the escopette has used "low pressure time fuel injection" along with a rectifier for the intake. remember that in direct fuel injection, as much as 50% of the fuel fed to the engine is being wasted. With timed fuel injection, this amount of fuel can be recovered (at least theorically). this would lower thrust specific fuel consumption. But this is difficult to do in practice. In practice, only a small percentage of the wasted fuel is being recovered. To improve fuel efficiency, a pulse jet designer can use thrust augmenter. Thrust augmenter is a larger tube place behind the exhaust outlets of a pulse jet engine. see US patent 3,206, 926 by Lockwood to see how to build an augmenter. Thrust augmenter can increase pulse jet thrust by 100% without consuming any extra fuel. But they have only been used at low speed. At high speed, conventional thrust augmenters create more drag than thrust. But i have recently design a new double duty augmenter for high speed vehicle. This double duty augmenter will perform as an augmenter and also create lift. Therefore, the faster the vehicle accelate, the more efficient is the augment. With the double duty augmenter, fuel consumption will drop below 1.8 lb of fuel per pound of thrust (theorically 0.9 lb of fuel per pound of thrust). So far a pulse jet engine will take advantage of ram air at high speed (Gluharreff), timed fuel injection (escopette), and double duty augmenter (ifocoeur). But I believe we can do better than that. We can actually try to compress the fuel air mixture in the combustion chamber. We can do so by using a rotary pulse jet or rotary rectifier.

A rotary pulse jet engine (RPJE) converts jet power into shaft power or part of the jet power into shaft power. This is very important for several reasons. RPJE can power an axial compressor or centrifugal compressor like a turbojet engine. When a pulse jet is fitted with a compressor, it can compete with any other type of engine. Even without a compressor, a rotary pulse jet will improve pulse jet fuel consumption especially for low speed vehicles. A pulse jet engine is fuel efficient when it moves at high speed through the air. Therefore, it would not be wise to power a slow moving vehicle such as a gokart, a car, or a low speed ultralight aircraft with a conventional pulse jet engine. But a rotary pulse jet engine is ideal to power a slow moving vehicle. rotary pulse jet will move at high speed while the vehicle itself can move at low speed. With RPJE, a 55 lb thrust pulse jet will generate 58.6 horsepower at 400 mph. Notice that I no longer use the expression "equivalent horsepower" because rotary pulsejet generates actual shaft horsepower when it rotates. When the engine rotates, it has a speed (also RPM). That's why I am talking about 400 mph. The speed can even be higher than 400 mph. At 650 mph (which is difficult to achieve in practice), a 55 lb thrust pulse jet would generate 95.4 horsepower. That is better than 14 horsepower equivalent. If you want to convince yourself that these numbers are acceptable, you need to search for the following aircrafts (the Jet Jeep and the Gluharreff EMG 300) on the Internet. With 2 20-lb thrust (40 lb thrust total) jet engines on the tip of an helicopter rotor blades, EMG 300 was able to lift 460 lbs. A piston engine would have to deliver at least 40 hp in order to power the same helicopter. And also with 2 35-Lb thrust pulse jet engines (70 lb thrust total) on the tip of an helicopter rotor blades, the jet Jeep was able to lift 705 lbs helicopter. A piston engine would have to deliver around 65 hp to power a similar helicopter. But notice that tipjets are dangerous. But RPJE is not dangerous. Notice that with RPJE, you can use various smaller engines to lower noise lever. Tipjets could only use 2 large engines. Notice also that the numbers quoted above are for RPJE without a compressor. In fact, you can use a an axial compressor or centrifugal compressor with RPJE. So these numbers are nothing in comparison to what actually can be achieved when we add a compressor to RPJE. A separate version of rotary pulse jet engine is what i called a pulse jet with rotary rectifier. the rotary rectifier is a pulse jet thrust augmenter that rotates. An augmenter will increase pulse jet thrust by 100%. But remember that this is a rotary rectifer. It is not moving forward. The rectifier can reach rotational speed above 400 mph. Don't think about rotary rectifier, the way you normally think of augmenter (good only for low speed application). The rectifier rotates (low drag); it is not moving forward (high drag). When a rotary rectifier is used to move a vehicle forward, forward speed of the vehicle will be much lower than the rectifier rotational speed. A rotary rectifier can power a propeller or the wheels of a vehicle via a gearbox. The gearbox will consume a small amount of power due to friction (less than 10%). So what. In theory, a rotary rectifier will be more efficient than rotary pulse jet (without a compressor of course). But the rotary rectifier has a larger frontal area. Therefore, a rotary rectifier will create more drag than a rotary pulse jet in high speed propulsion. One more thing about rotary rectifier, a rotary rectifier will allow a pulse jet designer to place both tail pipe and air inlet in the vehicle travel direction to capture ram air. Ram air will act as a piston on both the tail pipe and the air inlet to increase the pressure in the combustion chamber of the engine. Someone told me RPJE and rotary rectifier would have low TORQUE in comparison with tipjets due to the long lever arm (rotor blade) of tipjets and the short lever of rotary pulse jet and rotary rectifier. My response is that rotary pulse jet and rotary rectifier will have more shaft SPEED (more RPM). Shaft speed can be converted Torque. Torque can be converted to shaft speed. I even made a video to explain it. The video is listed below.

Here is a great video about rotary rectifier "PART 5 pulse jet with rotary rectifier" ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WbYHIUwmrec ).

Here is a youtube link for "PART 9 BEST rotary pulse jet engine and rotary rectifier" ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sa0AKdD7RMw ).

Here is a link about Torque of rotary pulse jet and rotary rectifier ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=voZNe8-v60Q ).

Here is another link for "PART 2 rotary pulse jet" ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7crI9hXF3AU).

here is a link for rotary rectifier "PART 3 pulse jet with rotary rectifier" ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEiHsbJFBR8 ).

Here is a link for my double duty augmenter (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYai60mww2U )(pulse jet augmentor for high speed aircraft).

Here is a link about pulse jet vs. turbojet (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BC4BJgWz68E)

Here is a link for high pressure pulse jet ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-vfTrYJugQ )

Here is a link on how to build a rotary rectifier (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=chp6MNdwYnA )

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Re: what is a rotary pulse jet?

01/10/2015 8:43 AM

You could benefit greatly from a class in spelling and a class in composition. Please take both, and then maybe you can come back with a decent reformulation of this mishmash.

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01/10/2015 9:51 AM

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01/10/2015 10:12 AM

"project Squid" was the first program to utilize a Turbo Encabulator in the inlet power circuit.

LynDoor™Industries developed this concept and the first working prototype for the Skunk Works. The following is an explanation by their Chief Technical Officer, Doorman.

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01/10/2015 10:29 AM

if you look at my videos, you should realize that it has nothing to do with Turbo Encabulator.

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01/10/2015 10:49 AM

WOW!

That's...............................................................incredible?

I especially like the creative use of concrete blocks, and the overall clean look of your lab.

I have posted one of my favorite demonstration videos below.

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01/10/2015 11:13 AM

It is easy to comment on a topic that you perhaps don't understand. At least, provide proof that you understand it. It is easy for anyone to make a comment, but it is difficult for someone to make a technical comment. For example, you can provide your own analysis with numbers to show why it would never work. Then i will take your comments very seriously. Easy to be funny. Difficult to be serious. By the way, I love your demonstration video. I enjoy it.

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01/10/2015 11:24 AM

Numbers?

You show me yours first.

I'd especially like to see proof of, "Thrust augmenter can increase pulse jet thrust by 100% without consuming any extra fuel."

Just because a patent has been assigned does not mean that the invention is feasible, or even possible.

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01/10/2015 11:37 AM

NOW we getting somewhere. Let's say for one second that I am wrong, but I am not. By how much that you think a thrust augmenter at the intake and a thrust augmenter at the tail pipe would increase thrust without adding any extra fuel? just give me a number. Bruce Simpson (a pulse researcher of australia if i am not mistaken) add an augmenter to the air inlet of his 57 lb thrust pulse jet, and total thrust jumps to 81 lb of thrust. that is a 42% increase in thrust. But notice that the augmenter was used just for the air inlet. Had he used an augmenter for the tail pipe as well, by how much you think thrust would increase?

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01/10/2015 11:49 AM

This is nothing more than an unsubstantiated claim.

Where's the before and after numbers? Thrust? Fuel burn? Heat generated?

This Bruce Simpson?

Bruce Simpson (blogger) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Simpson has been heavily involved in the development of pulsejet technology. He has served as an expert build adviser on the television show Scrapheap challenge when the episode revolved around building jet-powered drag cars.[16]

Not much scientific credibility here either, sorry.

Compressors have been used on jet engines for a long time.

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01/10/2015 11:59 AM

I am new to this forum; one of the post says that I should not pull your finger. Perhaps you are joking about evrything, but i am going to see if you can be serious. I have my own experimentation that verify Bruce Simpson claim. Can you point me to some researches that indicates otherwise?

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01/10/2015 12:17 PM

It's just not something I'd be inclined to do. (Refute unsubstantiated claims)

You might want to contact Ron Hatton (Gadgetman), as he is involved in some unconventional flow enhancement work.

He used to be here in Arizona.

My impression of Bruce is that he is a hacker and nothing I've seen of his work is impressive beyond his tinkering ability.

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01/10/2015 12:36 PM

This Ron Hatton, did he tell you something else about thrust augmentation. did he tell you that they wouldn't work at all? what did he say exactly about thrust augmentation?Did he give you a number? Numbers are very important. I almost think it is safe for me to say that you have no research at all that indicates something else about thrust augmentation than what i claim.

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01/10/2015 12:42 PM

you can claim all you want, yet you offer nothing

And this is your thread.

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01/10/2015 1:27 PM

If you choose not to read the second paragraph about rotary pulse jet and rotary rectifier, I am not responsible. I provide plenty of numbers in the second paragraph. If you say that I am offering nothing, i have to assume that you don't see the numbers that i have provided. all the numbers should provide you with a clear opportunity to show that I am wrong. But some forum members choose to be funny, which is ok with me. But i just can't take them seriously. Remember i provide numbers and i tell you how to verify the numbers. that is not "nothing". that is something. Now give me your numbers.

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01/10/2015 1:59 PM

Your comment of:

"I am not responsible."

I whole heartedly agree.

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01/10/2015 12:56 PM

Ron Hatton claimed to increase the power output of internal combustion engines by simply altering the air intake area with a groove.

He showed me some actual before and after dynomometer results he claimed to verify his work.

You have show us nothing but some crude videos with no actual proof of anything. Where are your numbers?

You THINK this will work and expect the forum to accept your claims without any proof.

Good luck with that.

Come back with some real proof, or expect no respect.

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01/10/2015 1:16 PM

So you have nothing about THRUST augmentation. I don't change subject just like that. Just one subject at a time.

I don't just show you some crude videos. I also provide an analysis in the second paragraph with lots of numbers. You choose not to read them. if you have read the second paragraph about rotary pulse jet and rotary rectifier, you would be able to see the proof. At least, you would be able to tell me which number is wrong. and please don't tell me that you feel something might not be true. show me the research that indicates otherwise. I need numbers. Read the second paragraph, i provide plenty of numbers. I will provide one day before I provide any answer. Because you should not just read the second paragraph and provide a quick answer. You should read it and think about it.

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01/10/2015 1:35 PM

That's a total crock.

You present NOTHING but unsubstantiated numbers. NO PROOF, just wishful thinking on your part.

You are not a scientist, you are a quack!

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01/10/2015 2:03 PM

which numbers is unsubstantiated? pick one. If you can pick a number and i am not able to defend it, then i would agree with you that is "wishful thinking" on my part.

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01/10/2015 2:23 PM

You have presented a narrative full of wishful thinking, speculation and perhaps some numbers that you did not produce, verify or validate.

The EMG 300 may, or may not, have actually flown, but there is no proof of this.

This curiosity bears no resemblance to your claims of powering a shaft.

I have something more interesting to do that entertain you.

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01/11/2015 4:59 PM

"The EMG 300 may, or may not, have actually flown, but there is no proof of this". Although, my research indicates that the EMG 300 did fly. Let's forget about the EMG 300. What about the jet Jeep?
"This curiosity bears no resemblance to your claims of powering a shaft". This statement clearly shows that you do not understand. I am going to explain it a differennt way. Let's say that you have 2 pulse jets at the tips of the blades of an helicopter like the jet jeep. let's say that you replace the blades with lever arms. Now you have long lever arms. Let's now say that you make the lever arms shorter with the same engines at the tips, would performance remain the same if drag on the system remain unchanged? What is the speed of the tips of the lever arms? Would RPM remain unchanged? What about TORQUE. Here is the thing. With the long lever arms, we may have a rotor RPM in the vicinity of 500. Speed of the tips (also the speed of the pulse jet engines) of the lever arms may be around 400 mph. And Torque will be very high. With the short lever arms, RPM will be higher (for example 1000). Speed of the tips of the lever arms will remain the same (around 400 mph). And torque will be low. But notice that we will have the same horsepower. You can keep making the lever arms shorter and shorter. Tip speed will remain the same: 400 mph as long as you have the same engines. When you make the lever extremely short, you have effectively built what i call a rotary pulse jet. Just bend the pulse jet to have a very small swept circle. I am hoping that you can now see the resemblance.

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01/10/2015 1:16 PM

Yes, you are new to this forum. We all like to joke a little here. It helps me to mitigate the tedium of my work. One of my tedious tasks is to review others research design and validate their results and understanding of their experiments.

Your opening deluge of claims looked much more like a barrage of bafflement instead of a real attempt to exchange cogent information. Before I dismiss your efforts I choose to view one of your videos, the video you identify as about torque and something you call a rotary rectifier. Instead of any informed understanding of fundamental Newtonian kinematic concepts or demonstrated data acquisition techniques on torque I see a drawing slide show claiming to be about torque with a string and ball. None of the slides even used the word rectifier.

I cannot help you. It appears you know nothing of the concepts of torque, moment of inertia, vector mechanics, power, energy, tensile strength or any of Newton's laws of motion.

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01/10/2015 1:51 PM

That is because you don't fully grasp the context of the video. the video is about if you place a pulse jet at the end of a long lever arm or a short lever arm, which one would produce more TORQUE? this is the context. that is important because somebody told me my rotary pulse jet designs have no torque because the lever arm is too short. the video shows that TORQUE is not the only thing that matter. shaft SPEED is also important. in the video, i am able to show that tipjets will have more TORQUE while RPJE will have more shaft SPEED (RPM). the video allows someone to compare tipjets with long lever arms and rotary pulse jet with extremely short lever arms. the video is an attempt to show power output will be the same. that is why the video is all about.

rather than tell me that i am making a bunch of claims; it is best to pick one of the claims and let's have a discussion on it. that's how i operate.

I will disregard the other parts of your comment. I have my reasons.

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01/10/2015 2:46 PM

No! By your own title description that video is your attempt to explain your comprehension and explanation of torque and a rotary rectifier. You do not accurately explain torque and you never mention anything about a rectifier.

You do not even understand the meaning of the words "unsubstantiated" or "claim".

You are wasting my time and patience. You will not waste it anymore.

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01/11/2015 5:19 PM

Let's say for one second that the owner of this website was making comments in this forum, i wouldn't give his comments any more value than the comments of the next user. you say "One of my tedious tasks is to review others research design and validate their results and understanding of their experiments". This comment is telling me that you know about evrything when it comes to technology. You have quite a large brain. If someone starts a thread about computer, you are the expert to consult. If someone starts a thread about piston engine, you are the expert to consult. If someone start a thread about television, you are the expert to consult. Einstein would find it difficult to do your job. If someone start a thread about something you don't have a clue, you are the expert to consult again. oh poor little me from planet koozbane. oh poor little me from Africa. Oh poor little me from some other planet. Oh poor little me. Too bad. I don't have such a brain.

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01/10/2015 11:33 AM

For gods sakes, if Lyn asks you to pull his finger, what ever you do, don't pull his finger.

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01/10/2015 11:22 AM

How dare you. If you had looked at my favorite videos you would have a better understanding of Pete.

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01/10/2015 11:35 AM

I found this advice very worthwhile: (from your website)

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Keep your children safer online by being familiar with the technology and applications that they use to talk with one another.

  • Know who your child is communicating with online.

Maybe we should petition CR4 to adopt this policy.

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So far I see nothing about your contraption that is unique, efficient or even feasible.

But I wish you well in your quest and hope you keep us informed of your progress.

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01/10/2015 12:11 PM

Exit "Chuck of Africa," enter ifocoeur from the planet Koozbane.

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01/10/2015 12:21 PM

Chuck was "overqualified" for this forum.

He was a legend in his own mind.

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01/10/2015 2:12 PM

Have no idea what you are on about, but you don't seem to be qualified to do what you are trying to do, or even explain what you are trying to do....Have you built anything that will fly, in the air??....glad you are not my neighbor...

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01/10/2015 2:24 PM

I will not respond to non technical comments except this time. I can't be your neighbor, i am a Koozbanian.

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OK,,,that clears things up considerably....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vbXzpoH6m2c

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01/10/2015 2:50 PM

Great link - thanks!

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01/10/2015 2:33 PM

That's a joke! We've been responding to your non-technical comments, gibberish, delusions all morning.

You have no friends here and no advocates.

No one here believes any of your non-technical ramblings, presented without any supporting data, except that which is in your mind.

You bring back memories of other quacks, kastrupsky and joe-fordum to name two.

"I can't be your neighbor, i am a Koozbanian" explains it all.

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01/11/2015 5:25 PM

Oh I don't have a friend here. Lyn, i thought you were my friend. Lyn, please be my friend. Warning: if you don't want to be my friend, i will be sad. To be sad or not to be sad. that is the question.

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01/12/2015 7:27 AM

opinions or statements are only validated if it can hold up to a challenge.

That is a my statement and I will back it up.

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