Thermodynamics of Air

Check your sources. Maca explained whats happening!

In the atmosphere, a warm front is when warm high pressure air is displacing cooler air. The movement of air is driven by solar heating of the surface, which causes the air to rise and surrounding air to replace it.

If the earth were not rotating, the sun would warm the equatorial region, the air would rise and move north or south toward the poles, settle there and continue the circulation. Because of the earth's rotation, the Coriolis effect causes air to move in circles, so the the air may be moving toward the pole and displacing cooler air as a warm front.

Warm wir displaces itself by rising up. Cold air has no chance but to flow into the area.

Cold air has higher pressure than warm air.

Also, look at the "Diurnal" effect, where with most continents fronting an ocean, the heating of the interior landmass, (Deserts etc.) create an artificial low pressure, with the hot inland air rising, and the cool ocean air filling in to replace the rising air. The transfer stops when both air masses approach the same temperature. Night falls and the air goes still again. The same principles apply to thunderstorm and hurricane dynamics.. Hot air rising, cool air replacing, BUT, when air rises to a certain elevation, it cools rapidly, evaporation of the water vapor occurs, and begins to fall again, as rain…(Hail, or snow, depending on temperatures). There are of course, variations, but as you mention, the principles outlined are the same.

your thinking of heat transfer, heat transfer to cold

Dear Mr.machia07005,

If you consider the hot air column is inside a tubular column(imaginery) of a definite dia and the cold air is in another tubular column - it is of infinite dia. i.e., atmosphere then the static column will try to balance and push the hot gas out of the tube(imaginery) and cold air will move to occupy the space of the hot air, since pressure difference is created, depending upon the temperature of hot air, which is at lower density.

Hence the higher dense air will move towards lower dense air.

DHAYANANDHAN.S

Yes all of these replies to this understanding of what & how this is seen in every day surroundings that many don't think about. Understanding the natural effects can be explained the science BASICs & how to use it to produce kinetic power in a containment chamber that does just that to power hydraulic fluid power to drive anything, " water pumps, saw mills, generator, The structure is like a synergy multiplier chamber of air flow cone shape that has many thermal transfers from 8 natural thermal up drafts as stated in this form thread replies. Now if any body has a clue and are wondering what & how this happens & care about the what if? & how to help others understand how we can change the world's environment with proven emerging tech. there is a public education site is www.renewablethermalwindpower.com white papers have been filed & structure is in development.

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It appears that some have a hard time seeing the natural earth sciences of thermal BASICs. To start getting it to the AH Ha. moment here is some clues of Jr high school sciences & structure designs that have up drafts in a tall structure, what makes a breeze way effects. what is a solar heat engine? What is thermal vacuum? Why is it called induced thermal updraft? What makes a tornado vortex? Why doe the airflow over water increase wind speed? OK lets open your minds eye! basic air nozzle design" large area at bottom open up off the ground standing on pillions , top open area is the small point like the center of a hour glass, Large cubic feet heated air going up to the small point with" kinetic energy to fluid power" multi fans as the transfer of working power.

Maybe for those of slower thought without the inner minds eye. at least read the facts for others & then think of facts & wounder why in tall structures buildings elevators have a updrafts when doors are open, Inside the building is cooler than the out side the heat from the ground seeks in displacing cold air, causing natural updrafts.

Well, I spent more than a few years of my life teaching basic physics, without ever having to use capital letters for BASICS. I can safely say that there is no such thing as a synergy multiplier chamber. Indeed, I would put it to you that a "synergy multiplier" would violate the principle of conservation of energy.
I have spent even longer of my lifetime in reading and writing good English. I defy anyone to parse the sentence "Understanding the natural effects can be explained the science BASICs & how to use it to produce kinetic power in a containment chamber that does just that to power hydraulic fluid power to drive anything, " water pumps, saw mills, generator, The structure is like a synergy multiplier chamber of air flow cone shape that has many thermal transfers from 8 natural thermal up drafts as stated in this form thread replies."

Well it appears we have a to be a physics teacher to use common sense to make anything work, The helicopter physics say it will not work! Wow has that been proven not so! Also this site is for discussions on a wide area of knowledge from World wide research & development from other researchers in combining methods to enhance each others output in a containment chamber. I on the other hand as you stated I am not here for grammar or good English writing. Simply put I am not here for your lack of understanding nore do I need it to stand up to small people with like minds to be bullied like school children, Just stating facts that other researchers have put their life's work into it. The HOW-TO is known & planed. Get real & educate your self from shared technologies. The stacking" synergy multiplier" is the containment structure Heat is not depleted stays the same from the internal make up.

Ha Phph001

Boy it's been some time & thought you would like a good humor thing.

I am not pushing you to any thing just thought you may in-joy something OK.

I am asking you just look at it- Not going up to small people thats always in the same group here. Maybe check out the other thread site Global energy criss" really by James Stewart Really a good man but small closed mind about other systems other than steam engine tech. Just say-an. I will no longer bother any one here on CR4 because all seem bent on my bad grammar & spilling problems rather than the facts.

The thread line" can a combination of naturals re-power a closed steam plant- without burning anything' Now think about something before you go there it gets nasty.

The fact of " kinetic thermal updraft capturing device" being a engine system,- & a hydrostatic drive "driving the Gen's.

My last 6 post should explain it clearly- very elementary explanations.

Here is Open post to all, Lets get the thought open to" what if" as a learners thought with wisdom of schooling. At least see item 3 on the energy site last 8 pages facts from other known universities documents proven.

1. I wounder if any one out there can help explain how a heat engine works ?

2. what shape in a structure makes a vortex of air flow?

3 what makes heat come from industrial hydraulic systems?

4.what makes heat come from a air cooling system?

5.what makes yard spinners spin?

6.how can kinetic energy be harnessed?

7. what is induced thermal vacuum,& how is it done?

8.what is a hydraulic accumulator?

www.renewablethermalwindpower.com is the public education site this is where you can see the HOW-TO with pic- tows pictures to see the stages of so Assembly of naturals.

Now many teachers of science with many years of learning can be great at their jobs but without wisdom & a open mind is like a person with many books but can't read.

It would be far more useful to the world if you would simply get on with explaining what a "synergy multiplier chamber" is (your post#10).

Phph001 to be better if you went to the energy site where the hole thing is explained, That is the point," For you to read it and look at the pictures more than 1 time quickly missing what you appear to miss the point of air rising in a vortex chamber, OH thats you never heard of that? The hole point is not conserving heat it is what drives the up drafts from solar heat engines & heat from the hydraulic systems, heat from the coolers. Have you heard of recycling waste heat or maybe not.

The point of most people given to wounder enough to read the systems explanation themselves. Remember this is "NOT " all my research, It's from shared technologies, The structure is only part of my job to develop & planed to build. So to dinie it works is really already known it works from much smarter people than me or you both, I have spent over 40 years gathering this information, But thats right you haven't read the systems site yet? if you did you would know that?

No, no, no and ten times no. I asked you a very simple question, and i repeat it here: what is a "synergy multiplier chamber" (your post#10)? I expect a full answer from you here, though you may reference other sources if you wish.

Hold on there trigger! You ask and I replied with the answer with the education site that I put up just to answer your question is} RENEWABLE THERMAL WIND POWER }synergy multiplier"the energy power resource Do you understand that is the answer to what & where all is explained to you.

Now not get in such a mess, with dismay try using your skills as a teacher of learning students and get educated in modern emerging technology's & in physics of structure designs' this may help

1. Nowhere on the site you reference is there any mention of a "synergy multiplier chamber". Your reference is invalid and therefore not acceptable.
2. i repeat the question here: what is a "synergy multiplier chamber" (your post#10)? I expect a full answer from you here.

WoW?? must have blinders on. The 48 page explanation item #3 explains what a synergy multiplier is & the therory of the principle's of thermal basices & even explaines how the structure is desgined to look like. Now if you can't read my site & understand it!? that's why I have posted on that site that I do give speeking when more than 30 people are interested in more information.( with picto grafts).

all you have to do is read what's there! All my post have been talking about the same thing.

The "48 page explanation" to which you refer is only 38 pages long, so you cannot get even that right. Furthermore, the phrase "synergy multiplier chamber" does not appear in that document. Indeed, the words "synergy" and "multiplier" do not appear at all.
Enough of this parade of scientific and linguistic illiteracy. For those on this forum who would appreciate a truly rational analysis of alternative energy sources and their costs, my unreserved recommendation is for:
http://www.withouthotair.com
David MacKay FRS is the Regius Professor of Engineering at Cambridge University and has been Chief Scientific Adviser to the UK Department of Energy and Climate Change.

Mr closed minded small person with blinders on! The WORDS " synergy multiplier" does not appear" It's implied to most whom have read the systems make-up with knowledge. Thats right it starts with 1 energy & goes up from the solar thermal heat engine, then the next & next energy form, then the next upward from there all the way to the top with the induced vacum below the jet type fans smallest part of the structure then the cooling chamber. then the top of structure. Some call it a stacker system as stated in this form by others, Not by me. Have you heard the term auto recycling of the automostphare by means of a vortex, Check your David Mackay at cambridge incase you aren't awear of it. I feel sorry for you What a waste of time talking to someone so smart their stupid, NO COMMON SENCE. I have better responce from jr high school students.

Jr High school kids might be to intimidated to give the proper response, ever thought about that? They also maybe dismiss you with a smile as to not to worry about you any more.

I would just like to know how you explain "Automostphare" to them!

Do I need to look for "free energy" on your energy site? Or is this out of the question?

Or maybe instead of having a closed mind they get excited about the " What if"

The point of well educated people with years of experience sometimes they can't see past debunking some ones knowledge past their own. This systems has been in use in 4 countries in three working structures. " first in Africa as a water pumping & charging station 12 volt with battery storage using simple materials for the structure.

Next larger stage is a 24 volt battery charging system in India, Again already working for over 2 years.

Next is a systems that the structure is a covered city center under the structure's center. All of these structures are part of hummanarty efforts.

I find it amusing that here on this site most try to put theory's down & pick on people that post them instead of looking at the facts already known & is even harder to understand why they keep showing all whom is the lesser educated. Crammer, spelling or English grammar. This is insulting the them showing how little in touch they really are. Why debunk something already in use as stated in this form.

Its hard to look at facts that are presented in this form. Spelling and Grammar is one of the necessary tools for engineers and more so for scientists. Failure to communicate is detrimental to ones work and recognition is not given even for the smartest, brightest and most intelligent people if presented in this form.

Sorry but you will have to step up your efforts to "sell" us your idea. Maybe get help from a Jr. High School student. For some small renumeration they might be willing to plain write your posts.

Good luck.

How comes you high-jack this post. Is the trigger word Thermodynamics?

To answer your question about the atmosphere explanation to jr high students, It isn't for me to do, that is already covered by their teachers by that time.

I am not here to be a teacher of lower educated people nore am I here to be put down to lower levels . I am not here to sell anything, In fact I really don't care about selling anything. I have the intellect to know better than putting small things like no# of pages in a document, " Amasing" they can pay attaition to that but can't see any thing but dought through anger of others with small minds. That doesn't bother me in the least, It just shows how leaneard they really are showing child like remarks.

As far as high-jacking this thread" Thermal-air or thermal wind" that is the point is it not. Thermal wind power is just that in a catainment chamber" 1 structure for that perpose. THERMAL WIND UP-Drafts. If you still don't understand there is pleanty of sites that can inform you on differant methods, Like is posted in the last 1/4 of the item#3 of the site as background & therory of structure.

It is sad to say the remarks made by people on CR4 is not here to start others to think with out being belittled is childish & should not be aloud to post such.

nore am I here to be put down to lower levels

The belittling is all on your side. With your wisdom you could offer all the help to OP, but you have been spamming this thread with your website. You have been arguing a point of us not understanding what your website means, what you mean, where it is written and this all because you are looking at the bigger stuff. Your intentions seem to be genuine, the way you try to fulfill your destiny is questionable unless you commit to some Grammar/Spelling help. This world needs plain words.

If you want everyone to understand use your words in text wisley. No misinterpretation allowed. Writing is a fact and for everyone to see. Make sure its written correctly and people will start listening and reading. Start with your website. Its there to be recognised but currently the recognition is vague.

These my last words.

By smarter than yourself and allow some advice to be given to you.

Good luck with you wind tower power generation.

OK It seems some of extreme knowledge could help with that knowledge instead of dubunking things & belittleing others of less abilities. After reveiwing this thread of thermodnamics of air really have no clue of more than 1 source. Sad. The teacher of pyhiscis could offer some help with his engineering knowledge instead of saying it doesn't happen or does not existe or page count is wrong. Isn't that child like.

I have seen only 1 case of someone offering help in the last 12 years on this CR4 site. wouldn't it be more helpfull instead of offering child like remarks put that effort into help. When I joined up to this site I was under the understanding it was a site for innovators in their feilds of knowledge & skills.

Any body on CR4 can help others with compassion instead of degrading remarks.

I will no longer bother small child minded people here.

U still there?

Yes I am still here to help others get the Uh Ha! moment.

IdeaSmith, it's just not worth it. Our mutual friend is excellently described in this other thread:

http://cr4.globalspec.com/thread/6312#comment47259

We should just walk on by.

WoW! Now that's funny!!!!!!! one to another Ha Ha. That's a grate"over coals" one. Remembering common sense is only in one's mind anyway.

Wisdom comes from hands on doing what ones thought when knowledge alone wont do.

Just as I was thinking< you didn't have a sense of humour ! you came through making me laugh! I'm starting to like you.

Now back to thermodynamics of air Have you got a Ah Ha moment yet. thermodynamics of air in a structure containment chamber that recycles waste heat from all the inner heat's inner structure Hydraulics, coolers heat engine at base, Now add the kinetic energy to mechanical fluid power to accumulator's as back up only.

Maybe try reading the first 10 pages, put it down & then read the last 10 pages, put it down & think about it a while. Then read the whole thing with a open mind. It seems that you have the skills & training to understand the combinations of heat recycling in a tall structure stacking of resources or synergies or multiplier.

Yeah, ne bother!

He is a neard with a concept which he has the feeling will not be heard of in the world because his advertising skills are on the bottom.

Lets wait and see. His stuff might be a game saver if there is ever a reason for it to take off.

OK. Idea?? I'll bite this time. The rocket has took off already! When your in the International top 100 Mag. then you can say such things until then all childlike remarks from anybody will not be answered. Get a life! get a little knowledge, It may help a little. I am now wondering when people lose their skills in their jobs how long before they lose their minds with out of touch thoughts from the past, Drunks over time still think they can keep up with new approacher's in science with out thinking new update training. We all "myself included" need to hon our skills.

We also need to improve our skills if improperly developed. I leave it to your skill set to find out what I mean!

I really don't care if you understand simple Jr. high school science or structure designs or any thing else as far as that goes. Maybe if you quit being so closed minded about things, you may have to read more than 1 time to get it! oh well it on a public education site for any body to read it's free to do.

Sorry for your lack of teaching the young to be inspired about what you teach.

It is call stack effect

Up draft of a forest fire tornado is fun to watch.