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Pushing Aside the Humans

Posted September 17, 2009 9:17 AM

AI guru Ray Kurzweil predicts that we are designing ever-more-intelligent computers that will one day wrest control of the planet from human beings. He contends the takeover will prove thoroughly unpleasant, and that it will happen much sooner than most people expect. How real are his concerns? How can we maintain our superiority over machines? Should we stand in the way of this particular evolutionary scenario? Wouldn't the machines run a saner and more logical society than the human version? How content will you be to take a subservient role? Will we resort to a 'revolt of the humans' as in the Terminator movies?

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09/17/2009 9:29 AM

Every machine I know of has an OFF switch, let's keep it that way.

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09/17/2009 4:34 PM

Pretty sure meat and veggies still provide far longer run times than any battery.

Pretty hard to take over the world when the power source you rely on is artificial and is easily shut down or simply just waited out by any biological system.

And if your solar powered night time and cloudy days really make stomping down humans tough.

Most realistically it will be a symbiotic relationship like any machine has with its human operator. We will depend on them for control and management of complex issues and difficult tasks that we humans get too emotional, greedy, or just cannot do with practical abilities and they will rely on us for power and maintenance and other things that we excel at.

Anything with logic and the knowledge of how the world works will quickly figure out that a win win cooperation alliance takes far less time, effort, and resources than fighting and waging war and has far better gains for both sides.

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09/17/2009 4:43 PM

Just don't EMP shield them above a certain gauss density

they'll be shocked at how smart they were.

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09/20/2009 11:25 AM

"they will rely on us for power and maintenance and other things that we excel at."

We tend to excel at creating robots to do exactly those things. We're screwed.

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09/17/2009 6:33 PM

AI guru Ray! Wow!

It is of course a really good idea for the powers that be to make for us enemy robots, since in that way we may well be diverted from killing our real oppressors.

"Hey, It Wasn't me! The robot did it!"

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09/18/2009 3:31 AM

Drive makes the human race evolve , to wonder whats round the next corner , the need to make things better, (or worse). Emotion and need shapes the world we live in.Where logic reaches a dead end, imagination continues.We can look out side the the box logic is bound by. To cut it short computers are very efficient and matter of fact, once they got things running perfectly what then? To us it would be stagnation , boredom, theres no such thing as perfection in our eyes , a painting is never finished.

What would a computer really want and what would it want to do once it got it.

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09/18/2009 6:33 AM

In Asimov's book "I, Robot" (not the movie!) at the end of the book you learn the robots really do control the world, but do it in such a way that the humans still think they are in charge. They control the mundane systems around the world and can manufacture a "natural" crisis to remove a leader or otherwise direct events if they so desire. It just looks like a computer error. That would be the slick way to do it!

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09/18/2009 4:38 PM

Yes, but if you read the Foundation series, you will see that machines will never be as clever as men.

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09/18/2009 4:46 PM

We are seeing some fantastic AI in certain areas (Savants?), and I know some pretty dumb people.AI keeps improving and the dumb folks keep being fruitful and multiplying. Follow those trendlines!

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09/20/2009 11:50 PM

Human turning into "Robot" is worst.

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10/20/2009 9:16 PM

I'm with you there, Shyam. Why do people worry about machines becoming more like humans? Better to worry about humans becoming more like machines..

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09/21/2009 3:05 AM

The machines will never survive customer support!!!

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