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Ideas so Crazy, They Just Might Work (temporarily)

Posted December 07, 2009 9:54 AM

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There's no easy fix for climate change. And if we reach the brink of disaster, even the most far-out proposals may start looking reasonable. After spending the last 40 years trying to convince the world that global warming is real, the last thing climate scientists want to do is convey the impression there's an easy fix. Nevertheless, as politicians dither and fossil fuels continue to burn, researchers are increasingly looking seriously at the idea of engineering the planet - geoengineering - to stave off the more extreme effects. A radical, if costly, intervention may be the only way to avert a planet-wide catastrophe. Most of the many schemes being studied aim either to reduce sunlight to cool the planet or to capture and store carbon dioxide to halt the impact of fossil-fuel use. All have risks and costs, and side effects cannot be predicted or managed with certainty. Without a doubt, scientists say, it is far better to reduce carbon-dioxide emissions than have to deal with the consequences. In 2006, former World Bank chief economist Nicholas Stern rang up the cost of climate change to the world economy at trillions of dollars over the next decade. But if there's no choice, even the costliest proposals may look reasonable as ways to buy crucial time. "The hope is that we could buy a few decades to develop new energy sources," says John Latham, of the University of Manchester.

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12/07/2009 4:30 PM

The best way to solve global warming may be to use unaltered data.

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12/07/2009 11:25 PM

"side effects cannot be predicted or managed with certainty. Without a doubt, scientists say, it is far better to reduce carbon-dioxide emissions than have to deal with the consequences"

So, you are going to tweak something without a full understanding of the overall effects, creating consequences that could potentially be far worse than just leaving things alone, meaning you will have to spend even more money tweaking the system just to bring it back to where it was when you first started playing around...

Am I missing something here? If we cool the planet down too much, and wind up inducing a new ice age, are we going to have enough energy around to retweak to make up for that little miscalculation?

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12/08/2009 2:18 AM

Let us give it all a rest!! Let us take a week off every month for the next ten years (120 weeks Ξ 4 years time out). This is a "pleasuraeable punishment" (self imposed) as a retribution and let nature restore itself back to "Normalcy". We cant find an easier "fix"! It might just work!!

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12/08/2009 8:15 PM

What if we kill everybody who thinks there is a problem with the climate? Soon there won't be a problem! What do you think Roger? Al Gore?

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12/09/2009 2:42 AM

You're suggesting shooting the messenger(s), rather than working (applying brain) on the message. Any such thoughts are a "Criminality" against the human race.Wasn't one Mad man who exterminated innocent Children by the millions enough for all time to come??

Please expunge your heinous thoughts and resort to self - introspection through meditation, at the earliest, for your own good health's sake.Hatred breeds hatred and destroys the hater himself!!

Please apply superior STANDARDS.

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12/09/2009 10:55 PM

Lighten up. It was sarcasm intended as humor. Think about it though. Is it crazy enough to work?

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12/10/2009 8:58 PM

DRAMAKRISHNANAIDU....

...Is it better to sacrifice 1 Billion human lives now, or see all but 1 Billion die early from famine and disease brought on by the bursting of the human population bubble?

Most are much more well versed than a few years ago in the devastating aftermath of human induced bubbles.... tulip bulbs, dot.com, houses....

Better to let some air out before the bubble skin ruptures. We are feeding and increasing fertility and birthrates worldwide.. feeding and breeding and feeding and breeding

But when the hydrocarbon/water/food song stop and there is a chair for only one in seven, the effects will dwarf those seen from bubbles bursting associated with tulips, dot.coms, or even houses....

A stitch in time saves nine.

Can't make an omlette without breaking a couple eggs.

Timing is everything, and no one lives for ever.

Average people are not an endangered species.

Thinning the herd...is worth discussion.

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(just to insight some fiery comments... or perhaps suggested in a less than joking way in hopes of meaningful discourse)

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12/10/2009 9:11 PM

To whom would you be comfortable giving the decision on which billion die? Of course a billion is only the last 10-15 years of population growth. 1 billion in 1900, 3 billion in 1945, 6 billion in 2000, and approaching 7 billion now. And 200,000 added everyday.

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In millions

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World7919781,2621,6502,5215,9786,7078,9099,746
Africa1061071111332217679731,7662,308
Asia5026358099471,4023,6344,0545,2685,561
Europe163203276408547729732628517
Latin America and the Caribbean *16243874167511577809912
Northern America *272682172307337392398
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12/11/2009 1:28 AM

"(just to insight some fiery comments... "

I would like to start my reply with a correction......, the word ought to be "INCITE" and not what you have used.

Meaningful discourse can occur only if there is reasonableness; cogent unaggressive thoughts (witness....better to sacrifice 1 Billion human lives now...)

"human induced bubbles.... ": replace with " greed driven blindness in the pursuit of "world dominance" regardless of SUSTAINABILITY.

Who consumes the most HYDROCARBONS?? Eliminate these worst offenders if you must!!

I think this is enough to mirror your mind.

Please know that "THOUGHTS lead to WORDS lead to DEEDS". Improve the quality of thoughts and enjoy a JOYOUS life in the world beset by perverted/violent thinkers.

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12/10/2009 4:23 AM

...how much electricity can we save if we have more barbeques and learn to drink warm beer? Radical enough?

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12/11/2009 1:40 AM

It is not electricity that needs to be saved. It is the reduction of carbon di oxide in the atmosphere while generating electricity that is the issue.

Why must you drink beer, cold or hot?? Besides,barbeques pump more of the nasty stuff into the atmosphere. Why do you want to barbeque in this horrible situation. Isn't it enough if you just take a deep breath of the polluted environment and get the "kick" out of it??

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12/11/2009 4:49 AM

So we should use ovens and microwaves and high wattage grillers...make sense!?

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12/11/2009 12:54 PM

Why must you drink beer, cold or hot??

"Beer is proof God loves us and wants us to be happy" -B.Franklin

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12/11/2009 3:57 AM

NNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!

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12/12/2009 5:47 PM

Why is it that normally thoughtful human beings buy into all of this man-made climate change hype? Consider a few facts.

First of all, recent NASA data demonstrates that all of the planets are noticeably brighter in recent years and are also somewhat warmer. The only thing that could possibly cause such a thing would be a slight increase in solar output, which is completely to be expected considering the slightly variable nature of our star.

Second, climate change has been going on since the dawn of time, as demonstrated by ice cores from glaciers all over the world, and on a somewhat shorter scale, from the growth rings of very old trees.

Third, volcanoes pump carbon dioxide into the atmosphere on a massive scale and on a daily basis, far more than we humans manage with our automobiles and power plants etc.

Fourth, recently hacked e-mails from leading climate change scientists and institutions show quite clearly that the data used to model all of this man-made climate change has been altered to produce the desired results, that the models themselves have also been set up so, and that peer dissension against man-made climate change has been suppressed on a scale not seen since the trial of Galileo.

Consider a few more important facts. Who is Al Gore? He is a politician, and the primary goal of all politicians is to exercise control over nations and peoples. The same may be said of all of the politicians that have jumped on this bandwagon. A very good rule of thumb is that all politicians should be considered guilty until proven innocent.

The scientists who have been championing man-made climate change depend for their livelihoods on grants being paid by governments and wealthy individuals that honestly seem to believe that this is an issue. And obviously, if man-made climate change is not the supremely important issue that these people have made it out to be, then the money is going to stop flowing and they will have to either find real jobs or starve.

Climate change is a reality and has been for the entire life of this planet, and for any planet, but it is primarily driven by the sun. To assert that we humans can drive climate change on a global scale is a conceit bordering on hubris. The simple reality is that the planetary climate will change, sometimes quite drastically (available evidence suggest that we may be due for another ice age), and the only thing we humans can do is to survive. Either that or join the dinosaurs.

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12/13/2009 10:29 AM

Dear Dr.Moose,

a very cogent and well structured reasoning indeed. I am almost convinced that the sun is the real culprit and no contribution good or bad from human activity can make any change on a global scale. However, a few figures would add to your credibility, which unfortunayely have not been put out.

Let us remember that it is very tiny creatures in the oceans that have contributed to oxygen in the atmosphere. So miniscule does matter to macroscale in the ultimate analysis.

When we are looking at 99% approaching 100%, every miniscule contribution of 0.00001% will tip the balance towards 100%.So even if the sun is to be blamed, our unsustainable development is the miniscule contributor heading us towards disaster slowly but surely.

Please enlighten and oblige.

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