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Is Memorizing Facts Passé?

Posted February 23, 2010 7:42 AM

Today is not just the 'information age' but possibly the 'surplus of information age'. When information is not available, you must strive to learn on your own. The Internet is fraught with distractions, but most of us find that online sources are available, indispensable, and make us much more productive than in years past. When you are training today's youth at home or work, how do you emphasize 'knowing/learning' versus simply finding out?

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02/24/2010 10:39 AM

It seems to me that all new knowledge builds on old knowledge. If you don't have a pre-existing base of information, you are not in a position to examine new information critically. There is an unbelievable wealth of information available on the internet, and this is something new to civilization: (almost) any one any place has the same access to the latest information on any subject. You don't need library privileges at a great university to keep up. But the internet is also a great source of nonsense, some put there by people out of ignorance, and some offered up deliberately by people with nasty motives. You can't sort through the piles of crap if you are clueless. Critical thinking is not possible in a vacuum. Memorization of 'facts' is still an indispensable part of education.

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02/24/2010 10:57 AM

I believe you are on to something here. There are many students who do not enter engineering or other science disciplines because they are afraid of the challenge of passing complex math courses. Many of these same students real do have the brain power to do it, but choose other paths which are probably perceived as more economically rewarding anyway (e.g Law).

If we instead taught courses that emphasized the use of computers to do the heavy math, perhaps more students would enter these important curricula. Some of those students would even get interested in the solutions, and decide to tackle the underlying math afterall, perhaps in grad school.

After graduation, getting hired and involved with an interesting project will nearly always stimulate one to learn even more.

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03/04/2010 10:33 AM

The primary problem with relying on computers to do the heavy math is that those that do this do not have a solid base in the underlying algorithms, and thus may not have a good feel for whether the answer is reasonable. When imputing data, it is pretty easy to misplace a comma or slip a decimal point away from its proper place, rendering the answer achieved with the program way out of range of reality. If you don't have a feel for the basics of, say, linear algebra, then you have no real idea if the solution to your matrix or set of equations is reasonable. Furthermore, just running the numbers through someone else's formulas may or may not give you valid answers (I am thinking of such things as probability analysis). Without a solid foundation in the basics, how can you have confidence that what the computer is spitting out is valid for your application?

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03/04/2010 11:56 AM

I have experienced this

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02/24/2010 4:04 PM

When I went through engineering tech school at NASA in the 60's and 70's, we were pretty much told not to waste our brain power on rote memorization. Instead, focus on problem solving, creativity and troubleshooting.

BUT, we also were taught that it was crucial to have the basic tools at hand to refer to when necessary; ie, handbooks, military specs, prior work, etc, and know how to find stuff in them. Back then it was usually our personal reference library and the Center's library. I even had a semester long class on how to USE Machinery Handbook.

At the least, that training strengthened my critical thinking skills and taught me how to separate the wheat from the chaff. At best, it prepared me to face the vagaries of the Internet.

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02/25/2010 3:16 AM

I think I'm in the camp that both are necessary. My daughter is learning multiplication. She understands the concept. That was easy. But she still couldn't perform simple (to those who know) multiplication. Eventually her class had their multiplication tables memorized, but only up to 9's (in Japan they don't do 10's, 11's and 12's as in the US). I asked her what 8 times 10 was and her response was, "Daddy, I only know up to the nines. It took 15 minutes or more to get her to use her understanding of the concept of multiplication and apply it to the 10s. As she uses her knowledge she will be able to apply the concept more easily (I hope). I'm not using her as an example in effort to support why it's important to memorize facts, but more to show how just knowing a concept isn't always enough to be useful.

Now let's apply this to engineering (or other fields for that matter). I believe our minds are tools, just as books, calculators, computers, wrenches, etc. are tools. If I'm working on a job site and need to help a technician or mechanic resolve a problem, I am more efficient if I can do some of the math in my head. If I have to use the sin of 30 degrees in my analysis and can pull out of my tiny grey matter that the value is 0.5, then I may quickly be able to resolve the problem and get on with other work. If I have to run back to my desk and grab a calculator, or look it up on the internet or some other resource, then that takes time and therefore reduces productivity.

Knowledge allows us to formulate solutions to more general problems. If you don't know enough facts it becomes more difficult, if not impossible, to see the more complex relationships that exist between seemingly unrelated parameters.

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03/04/2010 10:38 AM

I do my best not to clutter my mind with memorising things I don't use frequently, to leave room for the important stuff, like sin 30 = .5 or pi = 3.14159 (approximately- if I need more accuracy, I have to look it up). These are two numbers I use frequently, so they are easy to retain. My phone number? Just a minute- I have to go look it up...I hardly ever have a need to call myself...

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03/04/2010 7:08 PM

I find it interesting that so many people have difficulty recalling their own phone number for the very reason that you state. For a number that is so important, one should have it in memory, but since you don't use it, it's difficult to retain....however, it can be invaluable in an emergency.

Some anecdotes regarding memory:

  • I was recently chatting with one of my wife's friends. He and I have many things in common (both of us could be classified as geeks). We were talking about PI and other mathematical things. While chatting, my wife started writing something on a napkin. Finally she showed it us and said is this correct? She had written 3.141592653589793. At one time I could pull that from my head, but not now. She is not in a technical field at all, she's a stay at home mom and Japan/English translator. The closest she's been to PI since high school (20 years ago?) is when she bakes one.
  • My sister knows all of her credit card numbers, billing account numbers (electric, gas, etc.) bank account numbers, street addresses, phone numbers.....that she has ever had. She can still pop off our phone number from when we were kids. And it's not like we only had one our entire childhood. We moved every 3-5 years.
  • My father was a minister. At the end of each service he would go to the back of the church and say a benediction then greet the parishioners on their way out. When we would move to a new congregation as he would shake their hands, he would ask their name (and maybe chat for a brief moment). The following Sunday, as he would shake their hand he would tell them their name.

Sadly to say, it seems as my older sister got all the memory genes. But I got a fantasitc wife who makes the best Blueberry PI (out to 15 decimal places)

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03/04/2010 11:50 AM

A certain amount of memorization is necessary to accomplish analyses in a timely manner, but understanding the principles behind the facts is more important. The mind works by associations - givin a certain amount of input, new ideas float to the surface prodded by associations with things we know or have experienced - that's thinking. Rote memorization doesn't usually require thinking at all, although most people use associations with already known things (usually things of interest) to memorize other things - lets face it, memorizing most lists of facts isn't interesting, but being able to immediately "know" some facts is convenient. Even using a (memorized) protocol to analyse a problem is a convenience to avoid overlooking something. Yes, the fact that I can do a search to quickly find some bit of information just unloads my mind of unnecessary data - but what happens when that cyber-link is unavailable? Knowing how that fact was derived is more valuable to me then.

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03/04/2010 11:57 AM

Here in Panama, at the elementary school level, great emphasis is placed on memorization as opposed to understanding the fundamental concepts- as per my wife, who used to be a school teacher. This tends to leave these students at a bit of a disadvantage, in my mind. The ability to apply knowledge to an issue or a problem is far more important than having a string of facts memorized...

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03/04/2010 3:38 PM

memorization as opposed to understanding the fundamental concepts

I ran into engineers and just about all salesmen that do this.....I call it parroting

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03/04/2010 7:49 PM

I remember when trivia pursuit came out............I read the cards.

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08/12/2010 12:31 PM

You have to have a basis. You have to know something about a subject before you can exploer it deeper. You also don't want to waste time rediscovering facts that should be basic. It's like using a dictionary - if you don't have any idea of how a word is spelled then you're not very likely to find it.

You also have to know enough to be able to separate the wheat from the chaff. The Internet contains a lot of good information, but it also contains a lot of junk. If you don't know at least the basics of your subject, along with some knowledge of how related subjects really work, you will be lead down the garden path to your demise.

Finally, progress is made by doers. If you are too lazy to learn anything and simply rely upon other people's work, you provide no added value and become pretty useless. You might bluff your way by for a while, but eventually you will be found out and tossed onto the scrap heap - where your reputation will keep you.

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08/12/2010 6:48 PM

"You might bluff your way by for a while, but eventually you will be found out and tossed onto the scrap heap"

...or get promoted to upper management...

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